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M1 Carbine Trigger (stiff & heavy)

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#1 ·
I've got an IAI M1 Carbine. The rifle is great, but I have found the trigger to be excessively heavy and stiff (especially compared to my M1 Garand or M1A).

Can anyone point me to a carbine savvy smith where I can have this sorted out. Otherwise I may just contact Fulton Armory and get it done.
 
#2 ·
Most carbines, Actual G.I., iver johnson, IAI, and even the Kahr Arms?Auto Ordnance al have that trait..........Just the nature of the beast.

Stiff, sharp breaking triggers just seem endemic to the design of the trigger group on them.
 
#3 ·
Mine was like that too, it was an 'Aline' had some good USGI parts, some bad commercial parts. I sent it to Fulton Armory, they did a great job on it, they are not inexpensive, but they will go through your rifle all together ($80 Tech Inspection) and tell you if it needs anything. It's a bit steep but the work is great, and they work on these rifles a lot.

The trigger was ALOT better after they were done, still not a 2 stage Garand trigger, but a lot better. It did require a hammer, trigger, and spring.

Had a USGI bolt though.

Good Luck

Justin
 
#4 ·
Look for a WWII USGI trigger spring and swap it. It will bring the pull down to 6.5 lbs or so. I went through two USGI trigger groups, one stiff and one perfect, and swapped parts one by one. The trigger spring is what made the pull heavy. Could move spring from heavy to light pull group and make it heavy and vice versa.

I bought some trigger springs from Reese Surplus that were perfect. I think perhaps Ozark Surplus has some older springs. The newer ones like those found in Bavarian return M1 Carbines are thicker gauge steel and much heavier.

I also often find them at gun shows from parts vendors, looking for older, worn out carbine springs.
 
#6 ·
He does carbine triggers?????

Nothing you can do besides polish the surfaces and swap parts. Not like an M1 or M14 trigger. Weight is in the spring.

Worth buying one of his trigger jobs and copying it.
 
#8 ·
Carbine Collectors have informed me the trigger pull was something the Government asked them to improve and the manufacturers tried to improve on as the Carbine was made. In later WWII production, they changed the design of triggers and sears a bit and got the trigger pull down a little, but never to their satisfaction.

The hammer of the M1 Carbine has a notch that controls sear engagement almost exactly like a tumbler on 18th century Flintlock rifles and muskets. The sear is likewise very similar to the sear on that era of gun locks. I long ago lost track of how many hundreds of trigger jobs I’ve done on 18th and 19th Century muskets, rifle muskets, rifles, revolvers, pistols and carbines – including original CW Smith Carbines. There are two basic ways to lessen sear engagement on the hammer, file/stone it down or glue or soft solder a shim that does not allow the sear to go in the hammer notch as deeply. Filing/stoning the hammer notch shorter IS NOT RECOMMENDED because it can easily wear to the point you will have unintentional doubles, triples or FA firing. Of course, if one Melonited/Salt Nitride treated or some kind of reheat treating the parts afterward, that would make it last longer after shortening the sear engagement, but you can’t do that and the other work for under $ 50.00. Soft Soldering/ Gluing a shim to the hammer is a less expensive alternative and when it wears out, you can glue or soft solder another shim. BUT, here’s the problem with that – it is NOT ALLOWED to be done for any CMP Games Match. I know, I have deliberately asked permission at least twice and I never got an affirmative answer. Adjusting the amount of sear engagement on the sear also requires Meloniting/Salt Nitride or some kind of rehardening. Some folks use case hardening compound and while that can work, I won’t do it because when it doesn’t work correctly – you have unintentional doubles// triples or FA firing.

Finding an early or worn trigger spring is a good idea. I also look for hammer springs that were manufactured a bit shorter, though I DON’T recommend cutting coils off the hammer spring.

I honestly can not think of a way one can work a Carbine Trigger Job for under $ 50.00 and give a shooter a trigger job that is safe and will last.

What I DO know is there have been A LARGE NUMBER of people each year at the Nationals who had someone work a Carbine Trigger and their Carbine fails the minimum trigger pull weight OR malfunctions during the matches.

What I HAVE seen is folks deliberately buy a well worn Carbine that came back from Korea and the trigger pull has naturally worn in after firing thousands and thousands of rounds. Some guys bought the carbines just to get the better feeling trigger groups and swapped the trigger groups and then resold the Carbine.
 
#9 ·
Thanks for the input and SemperFi MasterGuns. I take your point and appreciate your concern.

The flip-side as this is an IAI carbine, and if I recall, not allowed for CMP comp's anyways as its not surplus. I will ask to have the trigger weighed BEFORE the work is done, just to make note of how ridiculously stiff it is.
 
#11 ·
One caveat warning I should add then. Run about three rounds through it one round at a time when you first try it. Then run two rounds for a couple times, then three rounds for a couple of times. I don't think it is a good idea to shoot very rapidly with a shim installed. I think it will work OK for the rapid fire stages of CMP Games matches, but don't shoot it faster than that, I.E. 10 rounds in 60 seconds WITH a reload of the last 5 rounds. I shoot Garands, Carbines and M14 type rifles as quickly as I can pull the trigger for 8 to 10 rounds when I'm checking function and that could/would be too fast for a glued shim.
 
#12 ·
if you haven't sent that carbine off yet the best thing i've tried is switch main spring out for 1911 mainspring helps a bunch and is pretty easy to do a pack of 6 from cylinder and slide is 10 bucks and you might just take out group and boost the trigger about 10 times that usally helps alot