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Old May 16th, 2020, 04:03 PM   #1
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How are Hilux's Cheaper Optics ($150-$200) ?

I bought one of their "M40" scopes- I was really impressed. I think it must be made in Phillipines.

I was curious if anyone had owned the ones like the "ATR" scopes that were going for $150-200 for 4-15x50 ? Actually I guess they were going for more than that at that magnification. $250 or so.

Was curious people's experiences with Hilux's $250 and lower scopes ?


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Old May 16th, 2020, 06:03 PM   #2
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I don't know about their lower price scale optics, but their mid-priced scope tailored to NRA Service Rifle "Across-the-course" matches has a pretty good reputation for tracking and reliability.


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I have a bunch of their scopes and only had a problem with one of the M40s and they replaced the scope in 48 hours.
I am using one of their Phenom-FFP 5-30x56-R on one of my 10 dot rifles and it does a great job but it's in the 500 to 600 dollar range.

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This is all good to read. After I get some better progress on irons, I plan to get at least one or two of the M40 scopes, and maybe one of A.R.T.-M1000/M1200 scopes as well.

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This is all good to read. After I get some better progress on irons, I plan to get at least one or two of the M40 scopes, and maybe one of A.R.T.-M1000/M1200 scopes as well.
The M1200 is a pretty heavy scope and because of the range ring and hinged base it sits a bit high for my likes. Had to try one after a review on another forum. This one is on one of my ultra heavy Bula's in 6.5 Creedmoor nested on a Sadlak mount.


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A fellow at the range had the Scout scope with the 3 post reticle. It wasn't long before the reticle started to rotate.

I get the impression that their low end scopes might be made in the place we no longer speak of.

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I thought all of their products were from there...
I had an early green M40 scope from them and liked it well enough, but found the crosshair too coarse for my liking.

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I am of the firm belief that you get what you pay for. When you buy cheap, you get cheap!

When it comes to scopes, price is a relative term.

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I thought all of their products were from there...
I think their upper end stuff might be Philippines. Can't swear to it.

The only thing I'm buying from C***a nowadays is toilet paper. It's only proper.


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I have me a Hi-Lux PentaLux TAC-V 4-20 x 50 on my current Dot rifle and it is made in China; had I known I never would have bought it.


Have since bought me a Vortex Viper PST (PST-43128) 6-24 X 50 EBR-2C to replace it with when I get around to it made in the Phillipines

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The M1200 is a pretty heavy scope and because of the range ring and hinged base it sits a bit high for my likes. Had to try one after a review on another forum. This one is on one of my ultra heavy Bula's in 6.5 Creedmoor nested on a Sadlak mount.
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That is pretty high. Is there a reason it is the way it is? It looks kind of like rings on a mount on a mount.

Can the rings simply be swapped with something more appropriate?

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That is pretty high. Is there a reason it is the way it is? It looks kind of like rings on a mount on a mount.

Can the rings simply be swapped with something more appropriate?
It's just, as I mentioned earlier, the ART hinged mount and the size of the range ring on the scope require the altitude to clear the rear sight. I all comes as a unit. I was never impressed with the old ART technology from the get go and the M1200 is an ART on steroids.
I'll take my NF any day of the week and would rather have the NF than the 5 of the M1200s I could buy for the same amount of money.

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from the Hi Lux website.

While there are several scope companies around the world who source products overseas, none of them have or will develop their “top of line” high end model in China, perhaps due to fear of IP and copyright infringement.

The competitive advantage for Leatherwood Hi-Lux, is that we have our own solely owned factory and engineering team to design our products. Hi-Lux is committed to reversing the negative stigma behind “Made in China” products. It was only a couple decades ago when Japanese Manufacturing was viewed as shoddy and poor. However, now, several optical manufacturers source glass and other scope components from both Japan and China.

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from the Hi Lux website.

While there are several scope companies around the world who source products overseas, none of them have or will develop their “top of line” high end model in China, perhaps due to fear of IP and copyright infringement.

The competitive advantage for Leatherwood Hi-Lux, is that we have our own solely owned factory and engineering team to design our products. Hi-Lux is committed to reversing the negative stigma behind “Made in China” products. It was only a couple decades ago when Japanese Manufacturing was viewed as shoddy and poor. However, now, several optical manufacturers source glass and other scope components from both Japan and China.



MINE has MADE IN CHINA printed on the underside!

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It was only a couple decades ago when Japanese Manufacturing was viewed as shoddy and poor. However, now, several optical manufacturers source glass and other scope components from both Japan and China.
I don't know about rifle scopes, but 20 years ago, if you were getting the top end electronics, short of speciality high-end, if it was the 'good' stuff, if it wasn't made in the United States, it was made in either Japan or Canada.

But, I suppose it is still a valid point, in that there's no reason one can't make high quality products in China. Instead, there are two sticking points unique to China.

First can one trust a mainland PRofC manufacturer to consistently turn out a promised level of quality. Broadly and historically speaking, at least in recent times, the answer has usually been, "So long as they know they're going to get caught if they don't, and they won't like the consequences of getting caught." I've heard lots and lots of stories from people who used Chinese manufacturing and had the same experience. The issue was not capability, it was a matter of not using specified parts that were cheaper, getting promises (to close a deal) that could not be (and were not) delivered upon, and delivered orders that, on average, were nowhere near the same quality as the sample units.

Secondly, in consideration of what China is doing in the world, and how every dollar we send in that direction gets turned around and used against us, if not directly, in leverage, do we want to be sending money in their direction by buying stuff just because they're able to manipulate circumstances to make it cheaper for the individual buyers?

I think the answer to that is an individual one, and surely, in the meantime, there are lots of examples where it's nearly, if not entirely, unavoidable. And it's not like the information is easily available when you're shopping, particularly since now so much of it bypasses brick and mortar.

I have a couple of old Milwaukee cordless drills that were made in the states, and have been running for me for about 20 years. I eventually caved in and replaced them because of the battery obsolescence. Things are still awesome, when they have juice. Seriously tough, well-designed, easy to use, and take abuse like champions. They just don't support current battery technology.

I tried to see what I could buy made in the U.S.A., and the best I could find for less than a few hundred dollars with any indication at all was some Dewalt units that were "Assembled in the U.S.A from domestic and foreign components." Came with a nice sticker, but I still wonder if 'Assembled' means that they take the batteries from Malaysia, the Drill from Mexico, the charger from Indonesia, and put them all in a hard box made in China, then slap the red white and blue on top of it. I don't really know, but I wonder, and console myself that I tried.

While a lot of regulations are inane, what I would really support is that countries of bonafide manufacture are actually listed with items for sale, so that for those of us to whom it matters, we can make that decision, and not simply know when we actually unpack it and see what it says on the bottom of the unit, or the box, or whatever.

Sometimes, 'Made in China' is the only viable option in a given situation, but if it's between that and something that's not, it'd be nice if somebody who cared could factor that into the decision. If CA can pull that stupid Prop 65 garbage warning everybody that anything that's ever been touched is going to kill you, well...

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