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Old May 17th, 2020, 04:14 PM   #1
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New M1A owner (soon to be), red dot, rails, ammo, etc

Hi all,

Long time M1 owner, with a few others old and new over the years. Picking up my SOCOM 16 whenever it gets here + 10 days. Since I'm just plinking cans and bottles @ 100 (maybe 2-300 steel), I don't need a ton of glass, figure a red dot will do the trick.

With regards to rails/mounts, I'm torn between the ARMS #18 and SAI stripper clip mount. I've heard the former can have cycling issues, and the latter worries me from being unsupported with another mount on the receiver. It seems like such a fragile place to mount anything, and if you look at it wrong it'll break (side note, I've had some idiot bump my M44 off the sandbags and onto the ground during a cease fire). Since I'm new to the M1A platform, I'm not sure if the stripper clip piece is part of the receiver or bolted on if something like this happens again (as in, if this part breaks, is the receiver forever left with this snapped off piece?)

For red dot, the vortex venom looks like the one I want, but I'm not sure how it looks with the irons. Does it cowitness at all or sit above? If the latter, is a cheek riser necessary?

Finally, for ammo, should I be concerned with running over 150gr? I have a mix of 150/168 currently. Probably will run federal 150 in the future (the one with the socom 16 on the box), unless I find just ridiculous groups with it.

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Old May 17th, 2020, 06:38 PM   #5
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If you want micro red dot. Check out Midwest industries and holosun. That's what I'm running.

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Suggested alternatives for red dot mounts....

M14.CA Scout Handguard (Available for Standard or Medium profile barrels)

http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_SCOUT_HAND_GUARD_SHG.html

I got one of these, seems to work well. Put a burris Fast Fire on, and it works well as minimalist maximum viewing, though I also like a more standard slightly beefier Holosun with the 65 MOA circle...



Ultimak similar, and a little lower. I know MeatyMac got an actual cowitness with iron sights. Think it is exclusively for standard profile barrel.

http://www.ultimak.com/M8.htm

Also, Red Neck Yankee Close Quarter Battle Mount. Lets you look below the RMR and use irons in a pinch, though obviously not a co-witness scenario, which I suppose would be just as good or better, but I've used the Dual Sight Mount version on several rifles, and have been pleased with the results (so long as the rings do their part).

https://m14forum.com/px/425225-origi...ck-yankee.html

If you want something like the ARMS 18 with more clearance for extraction, there is always Sadlak.

https://www.sadlak.com/m1a-store

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Suggested alternatives for red dot mounts....

M14.CA Scout Handguard (Available for Standard or Medium profile barrels)

http://www.m14.ca/M14_M1A_SCOUT_HAND_GUARD_SHG.html

I got one of these, seems to work well. Put a burris Fast Fire on, and it works well as minimalist maximum viewing, though I also like a more standard slightly beefier Holosun with the 65 MOA circle...



Ultimak similar, and a little lower. I know MeatyMac got an actual cowitness with iron sights. Think it is exclusively for standard profile barrel.

http://www.ultimak.com/M8.htm

Also, Red Neck Yankee Close Quarter Battle Mount. Lets you look below the RMR and use irons in a pinch, though obviously not a co-witness scenario, which I suppose would be just as good or better, but I've used the Dual Sight Mount version on several rifles, and have been pleased with the results (so long as the rings do their part).

https://m14forum.com/px/425225-origi...ck-yankee.html

If you want something like the ARMS 18 with more clearance for extraction, there is always Sadlak.

https://www.sadlak.com/m1a-store
Don't forget the Midwest Industries Mounts.

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Welcome! Make sure you report back on which way you decide to go. There’s some good info on updating the socom, especially the sights, to make it more accurate too.

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Midwest makes mounts for RMR patterned micro red dots and Aimpoint minis as well


Here is the RMR mount

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It's near impossible to co-witness any sort of red dot with M14 iron sights. Some of the really small ones intended for pistols might work.

The ARMS 18 is probably the lowest mount available, but you need to remove the scope to use the irons.

You can use any bullet weight you want, you just need to be mindful of the type and amount of powder under it.

The Federal ammo with the M1A Socom on the box is 168 OTM, very similar to their 168 GMM.

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Welcome to the forum -
You came to a good place for advice -
Don't forget to report back on your decision and a range report...

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