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Old August 1st, 2009, 05:39 AM   #1
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Classic M1A or socom 16 suitable as an defense rilfe?

Hello, I am new on this Board and I have got a question. I will buy soon an classic m1a or an socom 16 for target/fun shooting and in case of emergency for self defense. But I am not sure if these rifle are sutable for that task? Would it be possible to use some light hunting loads which are suitable for sd? Sorry for the silly questions but i am new to semi auto rifle world. I have only experience with bolt action guns.

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Old August 1st, 2009, 06:25 AM   #2
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Imo, it depends on where you live, and what you mean by self defense.

If youre defending against bad guys coming over a hill at range then 308 is fine. If youre defending yourself within your home, its still fine if you live in a rural area. If homes are close by, you might hurt a neighbor. For more populated areas I would have a shotgun on hand. Anything in front of it is done, and the shot should be contained by your walls(or at least slowed to be non lethal)

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Like POK33 said.
I'd be using a 12 ga./00 buck for self defense, wouldn't even consider a .308. If you would need a rifle for sd I would think the yardage would be short, less than 200 yards, anything longer and you would be sniping. At this distance a SOCOM or M1a shoot equally as well, for a sd target.

I have a SOCOM II and a M1a, (SA Loaded) I like them both but always seam to grab the M1a when I go to the range, but that's just me.

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I agree with other posters...not suitable for "home" defense in a general sense. Shotgun or handgun for that...but even the handgun shouldn't be more (or less) than a .38.

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The police might find self defense hard to believe at 800 meters

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Old August 1st, 2009, 11:30 AM   #6
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I see. Thx for the answers. I know that than m1a or an socom rifle wouldn't be the best sd gun, but it is besser than nothing Using an handgun sounds good, but jhps (with lead core) are prohibited here in austria. Full copper or lead hps would be allowed but they such speciality loads are very hard to get in my country. And FMJ is not the best choice for sd. I think I will get an cheap coachgun for sd, and I will use my m1a only at the range. Thanks for your help.

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iceman00, it's legal to buy a Springfield Armory, Inc. M1A rifle in Austria?

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Yes, using semi auto rifles is not probibited here in austria. I have to check first if it is possible to import one, but in general owning an m1a wouldn't be iligal. If i can't get one, I have to get oberland arms ar 10, an ar clone, made in germany.

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I believe the M1a is a great self defense weapon. It was designed to engage targets at various ranges you can shoot the bad guy and for close in work you can attach a bayonet or butt stroke them.

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I believe the M1a is a great self defense weapon. It was designed to engage targets at various ranges you can shoot the bad guy and for close in work you can attach a bayonet or butt stroke them.
You are definitely right that an M1A will do the job...but what about the bullet going through stuff...like walls...or houses...or other people? I think that is more the point.

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For home defense and clearing rooms nothing beats a good old .45. IMHO

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Old August 2nd, 2009, 07:25 AM   #12
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Self-defense may well include more than home defense. There are still areas of Austria that are undeveloped. Self-defense in such an area, against large mammals, or human mammals, would be well served with an M1A. In America, as pointed out, we have access to many more niche weapons than other places. Lacking this access, one uses whatever is allowable.

Ammunition for a semi-automatic rifle requires specific weights and pressure curves for best performance. DO NOT use any bolt-action loads that are listed as extra-power or plus-power. These were developed to increase the performance of bolt-action rifles, and will not function reliably in a semi-automatic. The Hornady "light Magnum" is a current example.

Down-loading the cartridge may also result in poor function in ejection.

If you have access to surplus 7.62x51 ammunition, use it. Polymer tipped hunting loads of proper weight will usually function well in the M1A.

The M1A is the civilian counterpart to the older M14 rifle. It, the HK G3 series, the FN-FAL, and similar rifles WERE the self-defense weapons of generations of soldiers.

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I think the 308 is excellent for rural defense, but still, perhaps not inside a house. Close quarters youd be better off with a shotgun or a handgun(if reasonably trained).

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Thx again for the answers. I know that that the 308 win is not an ideal sd caliber, but if it is possible to use 150 grain hunting load, then the m1a would get the job done. Overpenetration is not a big problem as I live alone in an rural area.

@JR it would be no problem to get some good surplus ammo in 7,62x51, this will be my plinking load. And for sd I will buy some 150 grain nosler balistic tipps.

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I think the 308 is excellent for rural defense, but still, perhaps not inside a house. Close quarters youd be better off with a shotgun or a handgun(if reasonably trained).
Pretty much THIS.

For a Condo: No
For a Farm: Yes

In between you really need to consider over-penetration (influencing your round selection) and ease of maneuvering.

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