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This is a discussion on Classic M1A or socom 16 suitable as an defense rilfe? within the Modern M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by spsosicmcise If I had to shoot a gun in my house at someone this would probably be the least of my worries. ...


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Old April 24th, 2020, 05:31 PM   #91
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If I had to shoot a gun in my house at someone this would probably be the least of my worries.
It might be the least of your worries but it should be a consideration. I haven't shot a rifle in a structure without hearing protection but I have shot a handgun in a structure and it really was something I would never again want to repeat. It was like someone hit me in the head.

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Old April 24th, 2020, 05:53 PM   #92
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You know what also causes permanent hearing loss??

Death.




I'm not going to find the victim guilty if a bystander gets hit by an over penetration or stray round. It's all on the scummy criminals.

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Old April 24th, 2020, 06:04 PM   #93
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It might be the least of your worries but it should be a consideration. I haven't shot a rifle in a structure without hearing protection but I have shot a handgun in a structure and it really was something I would never again want to repeat. It was like someone hit me in the head.
Well i have, and yes it does suck. Not the most fun thing in the world, but Itís much louder on the other end. It could have an extreme psychological effect on the intruder. There is nothing more intimidating that a naked guy shooting a rifle at you while wearing ear muffs.

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Old April 24th, 2020, 06:10 PM   #94
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You know what also causes permanent hearing loss??

Death.
You need to be aware of what is going on around you even after the first round is fired and that is pretty hard to do when your head is ringing. If you don't know what is going on around you, you just might end up dead or kill someone else that you did not intend on killing. Situational awareness is not devalued just because the shooting began.

Handguns fired inside structures without hearing protection are painfully loud. I can only imagine what it is like to shoot a 7.62mm rifle inside a structure. If you don't have firsthand experience with this issue, take my word for it. It is a lot worse than you can imagine.

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I think most people are kidding themselves when talking about home defense. Any firearm shot inside isn't going to be pleasant and will chase damage even with one shot. 12g, especially with the shorter 'tactical' barrels, is right up there with 762 NATO. 45acp beats them both from my understanding in terms of decibels produced iirc.

.22 lr was the last firearm I recall shooting inside, out of a window at a critter, and it was definitely loud.

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Old April 25th, 2020, 12:24 AM   #96
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I think most people are kidding themselves when talking about home defense. Any firearm shot inside isn't going to be pleasant and will chase damage even with one shot. 12g, especially with the shorter 'tactical' barrels, is right up there with 762 NATO. 45acp beats them both from my understanding in terms of decibels produced iirc.

.22 lr was the last firearm I recall shooting inside, out of a window at a critter, and it was definitely loud.
I need a sign in front of my house that says, "For Home Invaders, please wait while I don my hearing protection, and we'll be right with you."

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Old April 25th, 2020, 04:11 PM   #97
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Let's talk about noise and hearing protection. Firing a firearm inside with no ear protection is almost guaranteed to have some lasting hearing loss.

Do you have muffs near your home defense weapon? Does your wife have a set? Your kids?

Everyone in the house that night is going to have some lever of hearing loss.

I like suppressors on HD weapons.
If I had to shoot a gun in my house at someone this would probably be the least of my worries.
I always worry about the health and safety of my family. Because it is not a worry during an emergency is exactly why it should be a worry before.

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Hearing protection is the last thing I worry about as well. Because I worried about it ahead of time and bought a suppressor.

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If you pick the correct bullets for self defense, (not 168 hpbt) then yes you could use that as a defensive weapon. In fact I would much rather use a rifle than a handgun as the kinetic energy is so much greater than a handgun.

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I sure hope so.


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Old April 30th, 2020, 05:51 PM   #101
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m1a for self defence

just my two cents I like the idea of being able to shoot through walls and throught car doors plus if he rounds he best be able to out that bullet. I set one my rifles by painting it camo plus a big scope I think if you make it look imtimateing you may not have to use it

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Old April 30th, 2020, 07:15 PM   #102
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Pretty much THIS.

For a Condo: No
For a Farm: Yes

In between you really need to consider over-penetration (influencing your round selection) and ease of maneuvering.
iceman00, hello from Virginia. As I type this, my SOCOM is 4 ' away, next to the M1A. I LIKE them, and they would stop the heck out of most of what you would need to stop in rural Austria, I would think. Just remember this, if you ever have to light off a SOCOM inside a nice solid house, try and listen carefully to the night sounds before you pull the trigger the first time, it will be the last time you hear about 10% of what you heard before!

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No, for the sole reason that .308 laughs at drywall, brick, cinder blocks, and car doors. I don't want to end up paying for property damage at an apartment complex or my neighbor's medical bills in a justified home defense situation.

If you live alone in the woods, yes. It brings down deer, it has been used as a military round since it's introduction. .308 is devastating in gel blocks and is very effective against both hard and soft targets. It's simply the fact that the bullet has the potential to keep going and hit something else that makes me discount the option of firing it in anger outside of a hunting or M/P application.

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m1 carbine. accepts 30 rd mags(if you have the m2 mag catch),potent little cartridge, swings better inside the house,and you can buttstroke if needed.

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Gentlemen, it kind of boils down to this - the 7.62 NATO cartridge is very effective in many ways but there are much better choices for home defense. If all you have is an M1A SOCOM, you have to use what you have in an emergency. However, if you can chose another more suitable weapon for home defense, that's the prudent thing to do.

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