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Old May 2nd, 2020, 06:00 AM   #16
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I'm not really worried about rules, the main thing for me is having a crisp break without mush and having the pull angle be correct so that it's comfortable firing a pistol-gripped rifle.
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It might be difficult to find a trigger that can be adjusted to a particular location and angle. The triggers for M1a are not like the fancy adjustable location variety on 'match rifles'.

On an M1a (M14/M1) you want several things:

1) reliable and predictable operation - you should know how much trigger pressure can be applied WITHOUT firing. The hammer should reliably release when just slightly more trigger pressure is applied. The hammer release should NEVER be a surprise - it should never release unless you WANT it to.
A trigger weight of about 5 pounds is very good.

2) there will always be a slight amount of trigger creep just before the hammer releases. The sears HAS to move a little bit for release. The amount of creep should be very little, but a no-creep release is difficult for safe and reliable operation.

3) Don't try to delicately 'just touch off' the trigger. When the hammer releases, HOLD the trigger fully rearward until recoil is complete and then fully release the trigger to begin the next shot. A 'too delicate' release can cause the rifle to 'double fire' because your finger is bouncing around in the trigger guard. Have a good firm trigger hand grip on the stock.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 06:09 AM   #17
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Pull angle correct for a pistol grip is either adding a trigger shoe, or the EBR trigger I make that has a flatter trigger bow, so that goal is possible.

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Old May 23rd, 2020, 12:27 PM   #18
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On list for the ShootingSight M14 EBR trigger/hammer kit. Looking forward to it coming in.

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Old May 23rd, 2020, 01:01 PM   #19
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On list for the ShootingSight M14 EBR trigger/hammer kit. Looking forward to it coming in.
Once set up, you should love it. I have them on a few of my precision rifles and they make a heck of a difference.

On the left is standard M1 trigger group with standard trigger and hammer. On the right is one of Art's lightened hammers and EBR trigger. Great investment for the real precision shooters.


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Old May 23rd, 2020, 01:29 PM   #20
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On list for the ShootingSight M14 EBR trigger/hammer kit. Looking forward to it coming in.
Me too. They're not cheap, but oh so handy.

I also got a couple of triggers done by Ted Brown, and there's no complaints, and for the money spent, I think it's a bargain. Plus, it means he touched it.

Very simply, he does what he claims to do, removes the creep, clean break, as smooth a travel from first stage through the break as I can imagine, and far better IMO than the 'National Match' trigger job, that I got included with my SAI loaded. It's not a bolt action 'button press', nor would you want one, but in comparison Ted's work was smoother, and the break cleaner without 'rollover' through the break that I would sometimes sense with the SAI job. Of course, what SAI provides will probably depend on the individual doing it, so it could very well be that they also turn out incredibly good factory trigger jobs. It just wasn't what I happened to get.

But what the ShootingSight gives you, in terms of the trigger angle and surface width with the EBR trigger, you just can't get with a trigger job. Plus, being able to adjust the parameters with a tool to personal taste is nice too.

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Guy's I am down to shooting my JAE Dot gun with a $149.00 Keep Shooting trigger group as I pulled out the one I had installed Shooting Sights EBR trigger and speed hammer in with a Tubbs trigger spring and sent it up to Tony to replace the trigger housing with a new Bula one.
It was rough and dragging when I did it and sent it to Art at Shooting Sight and he made it feel quit nice but not as good as the one Tony did for me with the same parts in my 'Jeep Gun' in a factory Bula housing.


Am having to cope!

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Guy's I am down to shooting my JAE Dot gun with a $149.00 Keep Shooting trigger group as I pulled out the one I had installed Shooting Sights EBR trigger and speed hammer in with a Tubbs trigger spring and sent it up to Tony to replace the trigger housing with a new Bula one.
It was rough and dragging when I did it and sent it to Art at Shooting Sight and he made it feel quit nice but not as good as the one Tony did for me with the same parts in my 'Jeep Gun' in a factory Bula housing.


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I have 3 sets in Bula forged triggerhousings Jeff. Tony will do good by your. The newer Keep shooting and KB international groups are not too bad with a little work.

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I have 3 sets in Bula forged triggerhousings Jeff. Tony will do good by your. The newer Keep shooting and KB international groups are not too bad with a little work.

Thanks nf1e, I will have two when I get the one back and am thinking the one in Johnb2488's JAE has a pretty nice trigger that he did but will probably replace the trigger with another of Art's EBR one's eventually.

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Old May 23rd, 2020, 05:08 PM   #24
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Any recommendations for a trigger?
Not sure whether I need a ........ Help me spend my money!
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Newport , Rhode Island? buy a sailboat.

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Old May 25th, 2020, 01:22 PM   #25
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Any recommendations for a trigger?
Not sure whether I need a ........ Help me spend my money!
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Newport , Rhode Island? buy a sailboat.

??? I need a trigger, you tell me to buy a boat?

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Old May 25th, 2020, 02:14 PM   #26
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You don’t have many options. It’s not like an AR platform where you have many after market options to choose from.
Fortunately Art at shooting sight has the market cornered nicely with a good product.

Or you send your trigger group to someone to do a trigger job on it. Trigger jobs can only go so far. You won’t get a very light trigger pull but you can get a nice crisp trigger.

Arts trigger gives you the lightest pull your going to get on this platform, and still be safe.


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he had i rifle there? i never got passed the beer on the right

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he had i rifle there? i never got passed the beer on the right
It's a pretty good one, but the beer is probably a better beer than the rifle is a rifle

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Old May 26th, 2020, 06:15 AM   #29
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I dunno. A well-stoned trigger and hammer from original parts is pretty darned hard to beat.
Never was one for aftermarket - although I'm sure they do fine work.
My favorite NM rig is right at 2lb. with perfect let-off, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Old May 26th, 2020, 10:21 AM   #30
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Member here, "hammonje" did the GI trigger in my EBR and it's amazing. Not sure if he's still around. It was several years ago.

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