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Old March 21st, 2020, 07:07 PM   #16
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Thanks for the education guys. Very interesting stuff. Now have a better understanding.

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Old March 21st, 2020, 07:25 PM   #17
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New to the forum by about a week or so. See a lot of posts mentioning Bula. I went to their website and looked around. What makes the Bula Traditional M14 22″ Modified USGI Barrel a better rifle that Springfield Armory's Standard M14?
What everyone has overlooked and or forgot too mention..... Bula = made in the USA. Springfield Armory = some parts made in the USA.

Now if you have money burning a hole in your pocket, and just can't wait go for whatever you can lay your hands on.

If, that is if you are a patient person there are some good buys (parts) from honest and honorable members in the PX, and build your own rifle in the configuration you like the best is away's a open option.

These rifles are not slap together AR type rifles. But in the long run believe it or not this is much cheaper than buying any built rifle and basically gutting it out re-configuring it into what you do desire.

Do it right, do it once while making it a fun adventure along the way also builds in a ton of pride into your rifles ownership.

My .02 YMMV.

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Old March 21st, 2020, 08:11 PM   #18
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My SAI M21 ran VERY well. Comfy as can be and easily Sub MOA.
Messed up the bolt, chamber, op-rod with (I believe) a bad load that slipped through my previous brass processing.

Tony Ben checked it out and all was well with the receiver, now we've got an SAI M21 w/ Kreiger Heavy 1-10, Bula Bolt; Guts; Op-Rod. So, I guess my answer would be...BOTH.

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Old March 22nd, 2020, 02:23 AM   #19
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Do you find that be the case with Bula vs All SAI models or do you think the National Match and Super Match models are held to a higher standard and compete on a level playing field with the Bula's given the same configuration. In my experience, my NM was a way better build than the Loaded I initially bought when I got into the platform.

As I recall, the JRA standard weight builds ran about $2000 which is a tad more expensive than a New National Match costs and if you comparing out of the box accuracy per dollar spent, the SAI would probably own a JRA standard weight build. Granted, you have way more experience as I've only owned 3 M1A's in my life, but the NM and Glenn Nelson super's I owned were great shooters.
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Standard to traditional as the OP was asking I would go with the Bula with any one of the Bula barrels over the SAI.
When you get into NM and SM that is a different story. Again, that is up to the shooter/ammo/system integration as to how they shoot.
For my builds and the type of shooting I do, my preference has been Bula and their component parts since they came on the scene. Previous to that LRBs had been my choice.
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Old March 22nd, 2020, 02:33 AM   #20
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Now Art, you just had to go and prove that you can both build a fine rifle and shoot it well to boot. You're making some of us look bad, lol.
My intention has never been to make anyone look bad, but to show the capabilities of the M14 type rifle.
Thanks to Art Luppino and his darn 10 dot challenge, I have concentrated on building the best precision possible into some of my rifles for the last 5 years.
I do still nail some together that are more traditional for purposes other than the precision rifles. Steel shooting is fun too.

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My intention has never been to make anyone look bad, but to show the capabilities of the M14 type rifle.
Thanks to Art Luppino and his darn 10 dot challenge, I have concentrated on building the best precision possible into some of my rifles for the last 5 years.
I do still nail some together that are more traditional for purposes other than the precision rifles. Steel shooting is fun too.

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Art, I am sure you appreciated that I was just having some fun, giving props to your abilities on both fronts while poking fun at myself for not being a particularly good rifle shot. I've gotten lazy since I discovered belt feds, surrendering to the "accuracy by volume" theory of shooting, lol. As for building, I'll put my Browning 1917/1919 .30 cals against anyone else's, but am not experienced enough on the M14 platform to build for anyone but myself. Heck, I may not be qualified even for that, but I'll work on it when I can make some time. Meanwhile, I appreciate your input here and dedication to the aspects of gun building and shooting that I am lacking in! I've met Jeff from Bula at SHOT and am very impressed with their product.

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Old March 22nd, 2020, 06:14 PM   #22
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Thumbs up I agree EXCEPT...................................

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What everyone has overlooked and or forgot too mention..... Bula = made in the USA. Springfield Armory = some parts made in the USA.
The SA receiver is made/cast in Quebec Canada and finished/machined in the good ole USA.
However as Phil stated some parts are made here.

That is not really a problem IMO.

I have a favorite M1A and it's a 2002 that came from the factory with an original SA 1962 USGI chromelined barrel. That alone was odd being that late after the "Golden Age" of SA Inc. when there was a glut of USGI parts to be had and many of their rifles came with them installed, not all the same mfg. though but USGI none the less.
After buying it I went thru it and replaced every part that was not from SA and USGI. I now have a complete SAInc. M1A all SA USGI parts rifle that shoots better than I can and with irons holds the 8, 9 and 10 rings at 100 yards off my buttpack with handloads when I have a good day. That isn't championship shooting by any stretch but it groups well. With a better shooter with good eyesight he could make this rifle sing!

It's still my favorite rifle, even over my Remington 700 M40 sniper rifle clone.

I've never seen an SA receiver break in my 65 years on this planet.
Bula is probably a great receiver and rifle if put together by a good M14 smith with good parts however...............

I'd still buy an SA.

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Howdy Todd,
Nice to see your smiling keyboard.

Standard to traditional as the OP was asking I would go with the Bula with any one of the Bula barrels over the SAI.
When you get into NM and SM that is a different story. Again, that is up to the shooter/ammo/system integration as to how they shoot.
For my builds and the type of shooting I do, my preference has been Bula and their component parts since they came on the scene. Previous to that LRBs had been my choice.
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Hi Art,

I've been lurking and posting from time to time as this is one of the best forums out there.... even though I haven't owned an M1A for the past 1.5 years... but it's nice to be missed so thanks. I posted in another thread that I am getting back into the M14 game with a recent purchase of a practically new NM model from GB for the very low price of $1325 shipped... so I am anxious for it to arrive to say the least.

For me, my needs are simple... I want an accurate rifle that is reliable for use in NRA and CMP Across the course matches. SAI National Match or Super Match models fit that bill without being so expensive as to make it cost prohibitive. I would love to have an LRB or Bula rifle with all American made parts, but they tend to cost so much more than an SAI equivalent that it's hard for me personally to justify the extra expense when my goal is solely to put as many X's on a target as possible using an M14 clone. Sure, one occasionally gets lucky and scores a nicely priced match prepped M14 clone from Bula or LRB that have all the same specs as a NM or SM, but that's rare.

I would be the first to admit that my first Loaded model definitely didn't have the fit and finish it should... especially given how much it cost, but once one steps up the upper end of Springfield's offerings, those are nice rifles...cast receiver notwithstanding. GI parts are great and all given their uniformity and mil-spec standards, but they don't necessarily make it shoot more X's. For those that are looking for a solid well built GI Issue type rifle...yeah, I would probably steer them in Bula's direction, but for Match shooters, I have no problem recommending Springfield Armory as a viable player in that market.

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You'll never find one receiver shooting better than another. It's all about the other RIGHT parts being put together CORRECTLY.
762 firearms and enterprise arms firearms may be an exception.... they have to function to be accurate. I agree otherwise.

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I have a SAI Standard. Shoots really well. 600 m is no problem.

That said, I will be adding another M14 to the herd. And it will be a Bula.

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Looks like good times, good memories made.

I think you're doing it right.

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The SA receiver is made/forged in Quebec Canada and finished/machined in the good ole USA.
All SAI receivers are cast not that I am a cast vrs. forged snob as Ive owned many of there rifles.

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All SAI receivers are cast not that I am a cast vrs. forged snob as Ive owned many of there rifles.
Phil,

I fixed the error in my post so as not to unknowingly lead anyone into incorrectly making their decision if purchasing one of these rifles.

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That looks like you guys had a major blast ! Id love to do something like that some day.

I thought stuff like that was banned in Cal ?

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