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This is a discussion on BULA FORGED Trigger Group??? within the Modern M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by tonyben Back in the day, I was able to disassemble the M60 in 15 seconds. That was a long time ago and ...


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Old August 15th, 2017, 08:59 AM   #46
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Back in the day, I was able to disassemble the M60 in 15 seconds. That was a long time ago and I only had a couple of weeks to play with them. It would take me a long time today.

I always loved taking the MA-Deuce apart. I still remember the old headspace and timing gauge. It's been nearly 20 years since I touched one of those. I know it's been a lot longer than that for many on this board.

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I read that JMB used the same, "load/extract" principles on the BMG M2.

That he used on his lever action rifles (1873?)

Of course the casing gets ejected out the top on the 73, and out the bottom on the M2!

Seeing that the M2 has been used in the US Armed Forces for over a hundred years...

That makes it ANOTHER weapon by JMB, that can't really be "improved" on!!!


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Old August 15th, 2017, 09:00 AM   #47
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Just thinking of time. In boot camp in 1966 we had to take our trigger groups apart, put the loose parts in our covers and on command put it back together in less than a minute. After a little practice even 30 seconds seems like an eternity.
I'll work on it I think I can get it down to 10 minutes. I have another to put together.
One rookie thing I did learn was that you can't just take out an SAI trigger and 'drop in' a Bula without some modification. The locking tangs on the trigger guard are slightly different, when compared side by side. Mine won't lock in all the way.

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Old August 17th, 2017, 01:19 AM   #48
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I think Bula hammers are machined from bar stock... I seem to recall reading that somewhere. The one I have does not look cast or MIM at all.

I would be willing to pay more for forged housings, triggers and hammers. Actually, I would be ok with a forged walnut stock too, if that would be possible.

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Old August 17th, 2017, 02:44 AM   #49
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I think Bula hammers are machined from bar stock... I seem to recall reading that somewhere. The one I have does not look cast or MIM at all.

I would be willing to pay more for forged housings, triggers and hammers. Actually, I would be ok with a forged walnut stock too, if that would be possible.

I like this post ^^^^^^.

Especially the walnut stock part. Made my day.


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Old August 17th, 2017, 09:17 AM   #50
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Hi,
As an update....

After my discussion with XM25Ren about the cast safety on the trigger group I was buying.

I guess it was pretty obvious that the safety WAS cast.

Seems BULA's cast parts have the little round "divot" on them...

Noticed it also on their cast gas cylinders.

Anyway, I talked to the seller about it and he admitted the screw up and said he had another trigger group put together by Mr. Ted Brown that was ALL new USGI, except...

The BULA cast trigger housing.

I don't know why he was getting a Master Gunsmith to put these together???

It is arriving at my house today, although I am not home for the time being (working!)

We will see I guess!

Here is what he said....

I sent you a Trigger Assembly Ted built for me with all new USGI parts in a Bulu housing/clip latch. It has a NOS W trigger guard. I did not take any pictures before I sent it.

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I just received my third Bula Trigger Housing and mag latch assembly from Jon Wolfe. I still prefer to populate these triggers with USGI parts, but just ordered two Bula Trigger Guards. For some reason the Wolfe website has the Bula M14 Trigger Guards listed on back order, but my order was filled in one day. Bula is doing a great service providing alternatives, and I will likely buy two Bula Op Rods.

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Old August 18th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #52
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I believe Art Banks had a couple no name cast trigger housings fail, he replaced them.

The original USGI Specs called for forged trigger housings for a reason.

Kimber to cut costs have gone to cast parts and folks are complaining.

Just sayn.

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Nope, never has any trigger housings fail.
I did pick up a bunch of $129. new trigger groups that had crappy hammers and trigger/sears. Ended up just replacing the mim parts with USGI from the stash and everybody is happy.
In this situation, the trigger housing, whether cast or forged makes no difference to me. I don't believe Jeff would market a product unless he had total confidence in it.


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I think you guys are referring to this thread?

https://m14forum.com/gunsmithing/1848...er-groups.html

If so....it was the cast trigger GUARDS that started the conversation about the other crappy parts if I recall correctly.

Post #11 by Hammonje pretty much sums it up IMO. At one time, we were told that Bula would be manufacturing two different trigger housings, one forged and the other cast. I recall reading that the forged housings would be significantly more expensive, maybe more than double, and that it was questionable if producing them was even worth it.

See page 6, post #82 here:
https://m14forum.com/gunsmithing/197965-bula-builds.html

(read through that thread.....good thread....much info)


Additional threads of interest:

(see post #10)
https://m14forum.com/m14/197817-usgi-...-shipment.html

https://m14forum.com/m14/301474-bula-...p-housing.html

The search feature works well on this forum.

PS - I'd gladly pay more for a forged housing that's made from the correct steel and has gone through the correct hardening procedure. Forged parts are no better than anything else if they're not treated properly.

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Thanks Brian,
Things are still percolating around here.
So many projects and so little time.

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Thanks Brian,
Things are still percolating around here.
So many projects and so little time.

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Sure thing, Art.
Happy to help.

PS-- We need an updated photo of the "herd." It's all about the eye candy!!

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Sure thing, Art.
Happy to help.

PS-- We need an updated photo of the "herd." It's all about the eye candy!!
Only added a couple since May so this photo will have to do for now.



Bula Defense Systems XM21 added in August.



TRW heeled/Bula Defense Systems added in July.



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What's you're best shooter in that herd since you have enough variants to be scientific? I'm guessing the 2 on the far right?

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Only added a couple since May so this photo will have to do for now.



Bula Defense Systems XM21 added in August.



TRW heeled/Bula Defense Systems added in July.



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What's you're best shooter in that herd since you have enough variants to be scientific? I'm guessing the 2 on the far right?
If you mean smallest groups to be best shooter, correct the one on top right is an LRB M25 with Kreiger heavy stainless in a JAE stock. Next would be the next down on right. That would be a Bula XM21 with a Bula NM med weight barrel also in a JAE stock. Both are in the neighborhood of .75 moa or better shooters.
If you mean best competitive rifle, that would be the 1st Sgt on the left. LRB M-14S with SACO repro barrel and all TRW parts bedded in a Macmillian USMC fiberglass stock. That is a 1 moa shooter.
The rest are no slouches, but I named off the best of the best.

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Thanks Art.

Yes to me, best shooter always means best groups. I don't compete.

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Yes to me, best shooter always means best groups. I don't compete.
Hi,
After shooting some High Power Matches (only local!) in the 90's.

I have a "Pet Load" using LC Brass, a 168 HPBT and IMR-4895 powder.

Of course, I trim the brass,ream the primer pocket and deburr the flash hole.

If a M-14 or a .308 barreled M1 Garand, won't shoot this, it won't shoot nothing!

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Bula Trigger Guards Just Arrived

Thanks to Jon Wolfe company, I am very pleased with the finish look and fit of my two new Bula M14 Trigger Guards.

I am hard pressed to see any difference from the NOS USGI ones I own. Upon receiving another trigger guard, which I learned the hard way was a SAI aftermarket, the SAI was harder to close, so scrapped that one for the Bula.

Bula gets five stars on these, and their trigger housings!!!!!

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