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Old May 14th, 2020, 02:06 PM   #1
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Any Idea Who Built this National Match Rifle?

After being on a 2 month gun shop fast, I finally went out today to one of my favorite local shops. I found this nice early SAI receiver built NM Ser #17431. I guess it was on consignment form a gentlemen in his 80's. I picked it up for just under $1200 with the sling and 3 USGI mags.

I called SAI for info., but they said they had to check the log book for info. and would email me back in about a week. It weighs just under 14 lbs. I can't make out the sticker, although it looks like "1985", "National Match" & "trigger". Only mark on the barrel I could find is an "H". Bottom of bolt has "7-85" like trigger housing and the other side has "9315". Rear stock holes are filled with resin. Not sure if I'll keep it, as someone may appreciate it more than me. Just seemed like a great deal.

Throat erosion gauge reads a "6". Does that mean it needs a new barrel?

Will the stock separate from the receiver if I remove the two allen head screws? Is there a torx recommendation when I put them back in?

Anyone recognize the builder? Or any other info. much appreciated.

Let me know if you need more pics. I was afraid to try and separate the receiver from the stock without asking about it first.

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:23 PM   #2
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Neat rifle. Barrel is shot-out if it reads a 6, but it’s a double lug rifle with a nice early smear stock and match parts. Looks like a USMC type build. Sticker suggests trigger pull was weighed at a match and found acceptable, back in 1985(?). You could remove it from the stock by removing the two screws but I wouldn’t do that unless you need to (gunsmith can do that to replace barrel). Even though it needs a new barrel, IMO it was a good price given the lovely stock and modifications it has. Thanks for sharing pics of it...wish it was mine...

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:30 PM   #3
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Nice find! I'd rebarrel, recondition it, and shoot the heck out of it!

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:32 PM   #4
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Nice. I don't think I could have passed it up at that price with that stock. It should come apart by removing the two screws, but it will probably be hard to separate due to the bedding.

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:34 PM   #5
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Wow!

NICE find...bet you just found all the bones to a fabulous shooter!! You gonna get her rebarreled and see how she runs?

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:36 PM   #6
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Ginger may have built it.

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:40 PM   #7
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Nice find, and a good price even if it needs a new barrel.

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Awesome find including an early smear stock. Congratulations!

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Old May 14th, 2020, 03:53 PM   #9
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The sticker appears to be from Camp Perry and, yes, you will need to remove the screws to get the rifle out of the stock. Torque on the screws should be 65 inch pounds. I can tell you that rifle was not built by SAI. The stock is an old McMillan and could have been an early Marine Corps stock. I always found the pistol grip was a little short on these stocks.

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Old May 14th, 2020, 04:10 PM   #10
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The tape on the bottom of the trigger guard, tells you that trigger pull was measured, prior to a match, and found to be within acceptable limits.

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Ted,it may have been built by a Marine Corp armorer but the stock isnt a former USMC match piece,its a commercial smear.

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Regardless of throat erosion you got a great rifle. Rebarrel and be proud!

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Old May 15th, 2020, 05:55 AM   #13
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Nice rifle, I would have been all over that one!

I would be interested in seeing more details on that stock if you take the receiver out. You can see the cut out for the connector arm in the 5th picture, that has been filled with bedding material. I think you may find that it was originally cut for a selector and then filled in before the final gel coat.

For reference, here is a link to a thread with pictures of a similar stock on a Super Match I have. If you look at the detailed pictures in the thread, from the inside there is a ledge where the selector cut-out was originally. From the outside there is no sign of it being filled, so it must have been filled before the final layer of the stock was done.

https://m14forum.com/m14/359785-m1a-...ear-stock.html


The TE of 6 is a high reading, but that doesn't mean it won't shoot well. They can sometimes hang in there with pretty high reading. I shot a M1 NM once that still shot well.

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Old May 15th, 2020, 06:26 AM   #14
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Don't automatically get hung up over the TE=6. The rifle could very well have been long throated for 190's and such. The typical USGI style TE gauge is based on 150 grain bullets. Most commercial match rifles will show a TE of 1 when new, for 168 grain bullets.

As always, shoot the rifle before making any changes.

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Thanks for all the great info. I knew you guys would have some answers for me.
I'll try to go shoot it next week.

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