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Old May 15th, 2020, 07:13 AM   #16
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Nice rifle, I would have been all over that one!

I would be interested in seeing more details on that stock if you take the receiver out. You can see the cut out for the connector arm in the 5th picture, that has been filled with bedding material. I think you may find that it was originally cut for a selector and then filled in before the final gel coat.

For reference, here is a link to a thread with pictures of a similar stock on a Super Match I have. If you look at the detailed pictures in the thread, from the inside there is a ledge where the selector cut-out was originally. From the outside there is no sign of it being filled, so it must have been filled before the final layer of the stock was done.

https://m14forum.com/m14/359785-m1a-...ear-stock.html


The TE of 6 is a high reading, but that doesn't mean it won't shoot well. They can sometimes hang in there with pretty high reading. I shot a M1 NM once that still shot well.

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I couldn't find any real visible marks of a rear fill in. Once I removed the 2 screws, the receiver came out fairly easy. Here's some more pics.

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Old May 15th, 2020, 07:17 AM   #17
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It looks like it's been bedded twice. Once with Bisonite, once with something like Marine Tex. Bolt has a 7-85 date on it, probably when it was headspaced to the barrel. The heavy barrel has the early style oprod guide.

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Wow, What a find. I would have jumped on that for sure! A lot of work went into that.

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Cool find!

That stock is nice. I would have shelled out the money too - I think that is a good deal for those bones.

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Based on the date inscribed on the trigger housing and on the bolt ('7-85') and overall build characteristics including the off-white material under the handguard clip and front of the handguard, I'd guess a USMC RTE armorer made a civilian match rifle back in the summer of 1985 for someone, which included welding on the lugs and the op rod guide. The oversized op rod guides came out in the 'mid-80s' so that barrel is likely original. Nice rifle and that stock is pretty special. Thanks for the pics.


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Very cool rifle I would of jumped.all over it as well

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Old May 20th, 2020, 09:13 AM   #22
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Just got my response from SAI. It sold as a receiver on 4-7-1981. The sales person I bought it from at the gun shop seemed to think Ron Smith or SEI had worked on it. Not sure if he built it? He's in AZ & I bought it in AZ. But who knows?

And I have a scope coming this weekend and hope to get this out next week to shoot.

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Just got my response from SAI. It sold as a receiver on 4-7-1981. The sales person I bought it from at the gun shop seemed to think Ron Smith or SEI had worked on it. Not sure if he built it? He's in AZ & I bought it in AZ. But who knows?

And I have a scope coming this weekend and hope to get this out next week to shoot.
Phil Arrington is another, he used to have shop up at DeerValley Airport before he hung up the shop apron and retired...

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So with the Scope Purchase, you are going to shoot her, to see how she shoots, as a Reference point before Barreling??

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So with the Scope Purchase, you are going to shoot her, to see how she shoots, as a Reference point before Barreling??

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Exactly. I'm not a 1 inch group at 100 yards shooter with irons. And if this is an accurate rifle, it would work best for me to add an optic.

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Old May 20th, 2020, 08:50 PM   #26
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I think this rifle is an interesting mix of styles. If you look at the right side of the rifle (starboard side for those so inclined) you can see a gap between the the stock and the bottom of the receiver. Oddly, there is no gap on the left side. I believe the Army and Guard rifles had this and its purpose was to add tension when the receiver was drawn into the stock when the trigger guard was closed. This would not have been needed on double lug rifles. Front lug looks a little like the Fowler's but the front furrel does not look like his work at all. On the Fowler rifles I have seen, he used cut up old barrels as pillars. On his later rifles he floated the barrel so the front band did not touch the furrel.

Don't have a clue as to who built it but my guess would be the rifle was initially bedded and the lugs were added later.

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Took it out today and just shot irons from the bench at 25 yards. 10 rounds of 175 gr Federal match. Under an inch with all 10 rounds. So I guess the barrel isn't shot out yet? Or is this distance too close to tell? I'll get it out to 100 yards next week after I get my scope.

I didn't even touch the sights and it was right on at 25 yards. What would be the next distance this would hit at point of aim with this 25 yard sighting? 200 yards?
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You'll be on paper with irons out to 300.

At 100 and beyond, try to use a round black target, 6-12 inches in diameter.

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