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Old May 3rd, 2020, 04:31 PM   #1
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T44E4 Combination Tool

I finally finished the drawings for the first model combination tool designed back in 1956.
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Old May 3rd, 2020, 04:33 PM   #2
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It's actually a slick design.
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But, probably a little on the expensive side.
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Old May 3rd, 2020, 04:44 PM   #4
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Very good set of drawings KC, very well documented.

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Does it perform the same functions as the M14 tool?

Or is it for something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Does it perform the same functions as the M14 tool?

Or is it for something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.
It was the first design for a combination tool, when the rifle was still known as the T44E4. It was not adopted. I believe the flat steel did not offer enough leverage.

Two years later, a tubular version was tested. It was 2 piece. It was not adopted because it was felt that soldiers would loose the smaller piece.

In 1960, the final version was tested, the one piece design that we all love or hate.

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Nice job Lysander,, very impressive!

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Old May 3rd, 2020, 09:00 PM   #11
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Does it perform the same functions as the M14 tool?

Or is it for something else?

Inquiring minds want to know.
It does everything.

It is:

- a 3/8 wrench for the gas plug in the "locked" position,
- a handle for the cleaning rod, in the "free" position,
- a handle and ratchet for the chamber brush.
- it has a big screwdriver for big screwdriver things, and
- it has a little screwdriver for little screwdriver things.

It's about 2-1/4 inches shorter than the combination tool that was eventually fielded.

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Thank you very much for this.
Now, anyone willing to make me one? $$$ Ironworker? Anyone?

Any chance of finding the drawings for the second, tubular combo tool? They are all 3 very clever designs.

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Thank you very much for this.
Now, anyone willing to make me one? $$$ Ironworker? Anyone?

Any chance of finding the drawings for the second, tubular combo tool? They are all 3 very clever designs.
You may actually be able to find the 2nd model, as they may have been included with the original 15k or so rifles. I do not know the complete part number, but it most likely starts with a 72 instead of 77.

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Old May 3rd, 2020, 10:29 PM   #14
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Didnt they use an M10 tool and a 3/8'' box wrench for those early rifles?

Thanks Kurt. I am always looking for T44E4 and early m14 parts and items. I have been looking for the 2 early combo tools, but no luck yet. Those early separate oiler and grease containers must be very rare too, not seen them either. Do you know if they were mass produced, or just a few for testing?

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Didnt they use an M10 tool and a 3/8'' box wrench for those early rifles?

Thanks Kurt. I am always looking for T44E4 and early m14 parts and items. I have been looking for the 2 early combo tools, but no luck yet. Those early separate oiler and grease containers must be very rare too, not seen them either. Do you know if they were mass produced, or just a few for testing?
Lee lists the 2nd tool as being pre-1961, but no part number.

We know that the M10 was issued as an interim tool, along with the cheap little box wrench from Bridgeport Hardware.

What we don't know is the sequence. The 2nd tool may have been issued with early rifles, found to be problematic, and replaced with the M10 and box wrench until the final tool was produced (post 1961). Or vise-versa.

More research is needed. Dates on BII or BIE kits may help.

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