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Old May 4th, 2020, 04:27 AM   #16
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It was the first design for a combination tool, when the rifle was still known as the T44E4. It was not adopted. I believe the flat steel did not offer enough leverage.

Two years later, a tubular version was tested. It was 2 piece. It was not adopted because it was felt that soldiers would loose the smaller piece.

In 1960, the final version was tested, the one piece design that we all love or hate.
The major problem is it is not soldier-proof. Notice that when in the "locked" position, the handle fits in a slot in the back of the socket head, and all torque will be transmitted through a fairly sturdy 1/8 thick piece of steel in a slot.

However, in the ratcheting position the torque is transmitted through the ratchet teeth. And, it is possible to strip the ratchet teeth off if you use the ratchet feature when installing the gas plug. Which seems to have been an easy enough mistake, someone did it for one of the "how-to-use-it" photographs:

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Old May 4th, 2020, 05:12 AM   #17
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The rassafrakarickin ratchet is drawn backwards. The chamber brush will unscrew itself . . .

Destroy all prints, we'll have an updated drawing later this evening.


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left-hand wound brushes could be made instead?

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left-hand wound brushes could be made instead?
It's the screw threads on the chamber brush, if you try and drive the chamber brush counter-clockwise, it will unscrew out of the holder. All USGI cleaning brushed have a 8-36 UNF thread. In a pinch you can use a .50 cal bore brush as a chamber brush. Here is a drawing of the chamber brush for this combo-tool.

Anyway, the corrected drawing are now in the original post. If you see any errors let me know.
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Do you have an actual picture of it, I for one would love to see it.

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Oops excuse me. I logged in and was able to see the picture, sorry.

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Early cleaning kit

Here's a pic from Lee Emerson's book of the tool and 'pre-1961' cleaning kit. I really wish I could find these parts for my T44E4ish replica, but I never seen these parts for sale.
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Here's a pic from Lee Emerson's book of the tool and 'pre-1961' cleaning kit. I really wish I could find these parts for my T44E4ish replica, but I never seen these parts for sale.
Probably because what they feared would happen - happened. The little independent pieces got separated from each other and got lost.

Some more pics.

Something to note: That cleaning rod handle is designed to push as well as pull, unlike the one adopted.

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WOW, and thanks! Those are very nicely done drawings, very cool from a historican perspective.

One question, and not being an engineer, or blueprint reader, I hope you will excuse my ignorance:
In the revised drawing you posted on 5 May, you state the threads were drawn backward, but I do not see any mention if thread size/pitch there, or in the original posts.

What am I missing?

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WOW, and thanks! Those are very nicely done drawings, very cool from a historican perspective.

One question, and not being an engineer, or blueprint reader, I hope you will excuse my ignorance:
In the revised drawing you posted on 5 May, you state the threads were drawn backward, but I do not see any mention if thread size/pitch there, or in the original posts.

What am I missing?

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The ratchet teeth were drawn backwards, that has been corrected. The only part threaded is the Socket Adapter, P/N 7267712. It has a 8-32 threaded hole for the cleaning rod sections, when used as a handle, and the chamber cleaning brush.

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