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Old May 1st, 2020, 07:12 PM   #1
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7x3rds, 21 gun honors, damage firing blanks?

My father, 89 years old, passed away 4 weeks ago in MD (not covid related). Being an army vet, he is being interred next week at a veterans cemetery in MD. Due to the virus crisis, there will be no attendance allowed except two of my brothers who are local there, and even they will have to stay in the car. He will have some type of military honors, but we don't know what that will be yet. We think it may only be a flag. Later that day we (me in VA) are going to give him a home grown 21 gun salute. I plan to get my 2 year old but as yet unfired M1A Nat'l Match out for this. I'm going to reclean and grease her again and go through a barrel break-in this weekend.

Now here is the stupid question: Is there any concern about using M82 blanks (or modern equivalent) for the honors that would possibly damage the NM? I can find blanks on GB, but nothing refers to them as M82. Is there something I should watch out for or avoid? I'm also considering 7 volleys of 3 rounds on steel at 100yds using M852, or keep the aim down into the woods for 7x3 rounds. These are just alternate ideas, but I do like the 7x3rds on steel.

What do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, comments, and ideas.
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Old May 1st, 2020, 07:31 PM   #2
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My condolences on your loss.

Firing M82 BLANK cartridges in an M1A that has an M1 extractor can cause the extractor to be ejected. You might want to check your extractor. However, if you are not using a BFA and operating the action by hand you likely will have no issues, though if you have an unfired NM I probably would forego firing BLANK cartridges in it. Just my personal preference..

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aren't blanks black powder?

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The blank is perfectly safe. Turn the spindle valve off to keep any crap from entering the gas cylinder.

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My Dad passed back in 2014 at the age of 89.

There was a Military Honor Guard present at his grave site.

They performed taps, folded his flag and presented it to my Mom.

No gun salute.

Found out the gun salute is only performed in a Military cemetary.

City ordinances could prohibit the "gun fire".

Dad chose to be buried in a private cemetary so his wife of 66 years could be buried next to him, when the time comes.

The Honor Guard was impressive in their duties.

My avatar is a memorial to my Dad.

Robert Lee Goodman, Tech 4, 45th Infantry attached to the14th Armored Division

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Blanks are loaded with 15 grains of SR 8231.
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Hello,
My heart goes out too you and your Family in the passing of your Father.
Bypass the M1a salute. Do you have any old surplus 30-06 rifles? I'll send you as many M1909 blanks you need. They came from an VFW just for this purpose. My treat..send your address.
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Thanks all for the thoughts. End of March Dad went in for emergent abdominal surgery (not covid related) after the covid quarantine shut everything down. The hardest part was that we couldn't go in the hospital to see him, not even my brother that he lived with. No visitors were allowed in the building period. After a couple weeks he passed peacefully in his sleep, as expected, and we had to, as Dad would say, "Get over it."

My plan was to eventually start using the M1A Nat'l Match after I achieved some longer experience and more consistent skills, especially with irons. I've made good progress with my Scout, especially considering the amount of range time I get. For what its worth I can't think of a better reason to get the NM out. Since I've recently found some consistency and satisfaction on steel, I came up with the idea of shooting 7x 3rds on steel as I wrote the first post above, and that idea is really growing on me.

Dad was a Sergeant in the US Army, stationed in and around Berlin, 1955-57. He has said that he rarely carried a rifle after basic, but always a pistol, so I wasn't thinking Garand or 1903, even though I have each. I also have an M1 Carbine that I got from him a few years ago as well.

I'm mulling over the options, and I'm open to any other ideas as well guys.
Thanks, Tom

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Our veterans in Delaware Co, Ohio, . . . and most surrounding counties, . . . get taps, flag folded and a 3 gun volley.

Due to the volunteer nature of the groups, . . . sometimes it is hard to get the 8 people required to do all this.

But we use blank adapted M1 Garands, . . . have never had any issues with them so long as they were cleaned periodically.

And I've been with the two groups over 15 years.

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My middle bother was buried in 2009 in the vets section of a public cemetery and had the gun salute.

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QUOTE=wiz1997;4521434]My Dad passed back in 2014 at the age of 89.

There was a Military Honor Guard present at his grave site.

They performed taps, folded his flag and presented it to my Mom.

No gun salute.

Found out the gun salute is only performed in a Military cemetary.

City ordinances could prohibit the "gun fire".

Dad chose to be buried in a private cemetary so his wife of 66 years could be buried next to him, when the time comes.

The Honor Guard was impressive in their duties.

My avatar is a memorial to my Dad.

Robert Lee Goodman, Tech 4, 45th Infantry attached to the14th Armored Division[/QUOTE]

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aren't blanks black powder?
No.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 09:21 AM   #12
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If you do not use a blank adapter, the action will not cycle, so you will have to cycle it by hand.

How does a 21 gun salute work? Is it 1 guy, firing 21 times, or 3 guys firing 21 times each, or 3 guys firing 7 times, or 7 guys firing 3 times? Never seen it done, but I'm sure your Dad will hear it.

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If you do not use a blank adapter, the action will not cycle, so you will have to cycle it by hand.

How does a 21 gun salute work? Is it 1 guy, firing 21 times, or 3 guys firing 21 times each, or 3 guys firing 7 times, or 7 guys firing 3 times? Never seen it done, but I'm sure your Dad will hear it.

It is normally a 7 man squad firing 3 time. How ever I have seen it done with 3 firing 7 times.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 11:20 AM   #14
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I've only seen it as a 7 man team, each shooting 3 volleys of 1 round, on command of "ready, aim, fire", cycling by hand at the ready command.
I'm planning to shoot 7 volleys of 3 rounds each, cycling by hand if using blanks.
The commands will all be in my head, where there is a lot of undocumented stuff already going on.

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Cant help with the blank questions but condolences on the loss of you dad. My dad passed in 2012 at 88.
Its amazing the things we wish we could still ask them about, after its too late.

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