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Old May 2nd, 2020, 05:03 PM   #16
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They fired blanks at my Father's funeral in 2000 at a private cemetery. They used M16s.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 05:32 PM   #17
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So sorry for your loss. Even in my MC days, we fired within city limits and they didn't say anything so long as it wasn't someone prohibited firing or touching a weapon. Sadly would make the papers.


So hope your salute goes safely and problem free.


Thank you to your dad, God Speed to him. I am sorry for your loss.

Edit: My grandpa was WW2 vet. He got a 21 gun salute, it was 7 men fired three from each Garand. It was actually a free military burial, they presented granny a flag in a case with his ribbons, and medals that I never learned about, only one I know is he was apparently purple heart. He never talked about WW2 other than going to Mississippi to train.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 08:10 PM   #18
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My middle bother was buried in 2009 in the vets section of a public cemetery and had the gun salute.

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QUOTE=wiz1997;4521434]My Dad passed back in 2014 at the age of 89.

There was a Military Honor Guard present at his grave site.

They performed taps, folded his flag and presented it to my Mom.

No gun salute.

Found out the gun salute is only performed in a Military cemetary.

City ordinances could prohibit the "gun fire".

Dad chose to be buried in a private cemetary so his wife of 66 years could be buried next to him, when the time comes.

The Honor Guard was impressive in their duties.

My avatar is a memorial to my Dad.

Robert Lee Goodman, Tech 4, 45th Infantry attached to the14th Armored Division
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Just going off what was told to me, wasn't in the best state of mind at the time.

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Call PD about a salute. Gunfire is often prohibited in city limits, however I think the term gunfire is defined as launching a projectile, so blanks ought to be permitted.

Also call PD because more and more cities have shot spotter mics wired into 911, so if they hear shots, you might have SWAT showing up soon after.

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Old May 2nd, 2020, 10:04 PM   #20
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Also, I have blue plastic blanks I bought from SG or CTD many years ago. Not US military blanks, but a brass base with a blue sealed plastic tip. Don't know much about them, but they were dirt cheap, and I had to pay a haz mat charge, so I figured I may as well get enough to make it worth my while (might have been beer involved in that rationalization), so I have a bunch. Never tried them, but could send you 21 if needed.

Not to derail the thread, but if anyone has used these, I'd love to hear. I believe they are German Platzpatronen, so maybe NATO blanks?

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My Dad passed back in 2014 at the age of 89.

There was a Military Honor Guard present at his grave site.

They performed taps, folded his flag and presented it to my Mom.

No gun salute.

Found out the gun salute is only performed in a Military cemetary.

City ordinances could prohibit the "gun fire".

Dad chose to be buried in a private cemetary so his wife of 66 years could be buried next to him, when the time comes.

The Honor Guard was impressive in their duties.

My avatar is a memorial to my Dad.

Robert Lee Goodman, Tech 4, 45th Infantry attached to the14th Armored Division
My Father, a Veteran, passed away in 1994. He is buried in a Catholic cemetery in Omaha Nebraska and was give the traditional 3 volley salute by American Legion members. My Father-in-Law, also a Veteran, passed away in 2007 and was given the traditional 3 volley salute outside the Loveland Colorado funeral home. God bless all these GREAT Vet's!

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Old May 7th, 2020, 05:24 PM   #22
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From my reading, the relevant thing about firing a salute is that it is 3 volleys, not 21 shots.

"The firing party may include three to seven rifle bearers, reflecting the American military custom of firing "three volleys of musketry" over the graves of fallen comrades."

From the Marine Corps League/Dept of CT. - Military Honors Ceremonial Training Manual

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Interesting to hear info on the "3 volleys" being the relevant detail. I'm still not exactly set on what I'll do, but I'll figure it out by tomorrow.
Thanks to all for responding.

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My father, 89 years old, passed away 4 weeks ago in MD (not covid related). Being an army vet, he is being interred next week at a veterans cemetery in MD. Due to the virus crisis, there will be no attendance allowed except two of my brothers who are local there, and even they will have to stay in the car. He will have some type of military honors, but we don't know what that will be yet. We think it may only be a flag. Later that day we (me in VA) are going to give him a home grown 21 gun salute. I plan to get my 2 year old but as yet unfired M1A Nat'l Match out for this. I'm going to reclean and grease her again and go through a barrel break-in this weekend.

Now here is the stupid question: Is there any concern about using M82 blanks (or modern equivalent) for the honors that would possibly damage the NM? I can find blanks on GB, but nothing refers to them as M82. Is there something I should watch out for or avoid? I'm also considering 7 volleys of 3 rounds on steel at 100yds using M852, or keep the aim down into the woods for 7x3 rounds. These are just alternate ideas, but I do like the 7x3rds on steel.

What do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, comments, and ideas.
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I've fired hundreds of 7.62x51 military blanks with no ill effects before I retired as the chief of police using one of the PD's 1033 program USGI TRW M-14's by using a blank firing adaptor. It's a lot of fun to do on full auto with the BFA installed on the flash suppressor. It's also a strange experience to have the stout kicking M-14 on full auto with zero recoil.

Our police firing range is located in a formerly rural area of the city but it has built up over the last forty years to houses aren't very far removed even back in 04 when I retired. My PD's dispatch center would get calls from citizens about the full auto fire and the dispatchers would tell the callers that everything was 10-4 that's just the police practicing at at their firing range.

If you choose to use blanks you can put off hurriedly breaking the barrel in instead of taking slow, measured accuracy shots while sighting your rifle in. Then too not that the expense really matters in this instance but you can use those rounds for sighting in and blanks are what's used in all of the military/police funerals I've attended.

I also noticed earlier in this thread that someone mentioned a vet being buried in a civilian cemetery since he wanted his wife buried beside him. For the record, the vets wife can be buried in a veterans memorial cemetery. We have one in the area that my wife and I will be buried in and since I will probably go first, she will later be buried on top of me. My name and the particulars will be on the front of the cross and her name & etc will be placed on the back of the cross.

My buddy the funeral home director and county coroner told me that when the hearse reaches the gates of the veterans cemetery the meter stops running. Because there's no charge for the opening and closing the grave, the cost for the vault nor the marker, which amounts to a pretty hefty hunk of change. I sincerely hope this helps you in rendering honors at your memorial service for your heroic father.

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I appreciate your comments. Thanks to all you guys who have served as well. Dad is going into a veterans cemetery, and being his wife, my Mom is already there even though she was never in the military. My brothers that will be in attendance still don't know what specific honors are being given. It could be just a folded flag, a bugle blowing taps, a 21 gun salute, a combination of any two of these, or all three. We'll find out in the morning.
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My father, 89 years old, passed away 4 weeks ago in MD (not covid related). Being an army vet, he is being interred next week at a veterans cemetery in MD. Due to the virus crisis, there will be no attendance allowed except two of my brothers who are local there, and even they will have to stay in the car. He will have some type of military honors, but we don't know what that will be yet. We think it may only be a flag. Later that day we (me in VA) are going to give him a home grown 21 gun salute. I plan to get my 2 year old but as yet unfired M1A Nat'l Match out for this. I'm going to reclean and grease her again and go through a barrel break-in this weekend.

Now here is the stupid question: Is there any concern about using M82 blanks (or modern equivalent) for the honors that would possibly damage the NM? I can find blanks on GB, but nothing refers to them as M82. Is there something I should watch out for or avoid? I'm also considering 7 volleys of 3 rounds on steel at 100yds using M852, or keep the aim down into the woods for 7x3 rounds. These are just alternate ideas, but I do like the 7x3rds on steel.

What do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, comments, and ideas.
Thanks, Tom
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My condolences for your loss, so sorry you will not be able to attend his funeral. My Father passed in 2005 at age 81 and since he was a retired Major I arranged for an honor guard from Fort Hood to attend his funeral in Fort Worth and he was buried with full Military Honors. While reading this thread I remembered that I had some photos somewhere from his funeral that one of my step brothers had taken. They show the grave side honors some of which I did not see sitting under the cover on the front row next to my step Mom. I found those photos and have uploaded them to Imgur and will post them here in honor of your father so you can see grave side Military Honors. Notice there are 5 soldiers with M16s and they did shoot 3 volleys as mentioned by others in this thread. Then to honor my Dad I will post some info about him. Hope you donít mind.










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Cowtownscout,
You have honored both our fathers, I don't know what else to say.
Thank you very much and God bless.

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Those blue cartridges with a metal base are not blanks, they are indoor training rounds.

The blue 'bullet' tip will go downrange, and can be fairly dangerous out to about 50 feet, maybe a bit more.

I have fired several hundred over the years, they can be fun, and they are good for training to see if someone is flinching or puling the trigger.

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