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This is a discussion on Springfield Armory 3rd & 4th Gen scope mount problems. within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Majikani, thanks, got it. Re the AWC topic, I found one more piece of info re these mounts based on an ad from years ago. ...


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Old August 6th, 2018, 01:40 PM   #76
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Majikani, thanks, got it.

Re the AWC topic, I found one more piece of info re these mounts based on an ad from years ago. This one has a 4 digit s/n "6899" electrostenciled on the mount, probably the last 4 of the M14 it was once mounted to:



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The bracket is the M-14 Army Weapon Command bracket from the early Vietnam era with the small slotted screw for the side of the M14 or M1A. It is parkerized and serial numbered 6899 in electric pencil, maybe the number of the scope, maybe the last four digits of the rifle it was used with, maybe the last four digits of the M1c mount it was used with. It shows wear from field use, but no abuse.

The mount is an original blued Griffin and Howe mount serial number 3688408 for the M1c sniper rifle from WWII. It is in very nice condition, shows some mild wear and the font is correct for an original mount. The number has been verified as that from an original M1c sniper rifle.
That's all I know...

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Good pictures.. Thanks for sharing

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Today was kind of a slow day at work, so I got in quite a bit of computer time and while it was not wasted I did not reach my goal, how to determine a repro AWC mount and a original.

Yes I spent hours going through pictures on the net and the pictures here in this post. The more I studied the more I found differences between them all.

Yes I will consult my reference books like Stevens, Senich, Poyer, Thompson and Lannamico but to be honest I have already skimmed through them...I have found them to be severely lacking. If I had more time I would write a book detailing for the collector in mind the minute details of the M14 and its parts, but I'm afraid it too would be limited in scope. At best these books just skim the surface, one picture does not tell the whole story.

It would have been great to have interviewed the folks who were there making these parts and building the M14s, I am afraid the passing of those folks, much has already been lost.

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It would have been great to have interviewed the folks who were there making these parts and building the M14s, I am afraid the passing of those folks, much has already been lost.
I made an effort, FWIW.

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I made an effort, FWIW.
I think you did far more than just make an effort! You preserved a huge body of knowledge...

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Thank you all for your photos and comments. This is such a treasure trove of history!

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If you find an ordinance bomb on a scope mount part that should have been made in the 1960's, I'm calling fake.
Use of the ordinance bomb stamp ending in the mid 1950's before we introduced the M14. Parts that can be traced back to the original Garand use are a different matter.
By the post 1964 time frame the replacement for the ordinance bomb, (the DAS stamp) also fades away from use.

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I agree with others, your reference books on the M14 are excellent, and much appreciated(!).

Peter Senich was able to interview a lot of the old timers in the 1980s and early to mid-1990s for U.S. sniper rifle history including the XM21 program, so we are lucky in that regard, but your multi-volume books on the M14 rifle in general is full of information not found in any other books - at least to my knowledge.

(Of course what I would like to see is the equivalent, single volume book on the M14 as Bruce Canfield did in his magnum opus on the M1 Garand - about 900 pages and hundreds of color photos on the classic M1 battle rifle - but that feat is quite unique in the literature. I suppose Larry Ruth's multi-volume set on the M1 Carbine is another other high-water mark reference book on that particular weapon.)

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Who knew USGI M14 parts would be so collectable, let alone in some cases worth $$$$! It would have been nice to have good detailed pictures.

On another note many of us here didn't know how to tell a USGI M14E2/A1 stabilizer from a phony, the few who knew, weren't talking. So a few of us started taking pictures of known fakes and of known USGI examples, I am happy to say I no longer need anyone to point out a reproduction from a real USGI stabilizer.

You won't find any of that in a book!

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ps Lee, your USGI M14 Magazines Illustrated, saved me many a times from being taken, thanks.

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I think they are multiplying? I had to unwrap the base to figure out what it was but it is blued unlike the other two. I will check them for marking tomorrow the old guy is tired tonight.
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I think they are multiplying? I had to unwrap the base to figure out what it was but it is blued unlike the other two. I will check them for marking tomorrow the old guy is tired tonight.
Sir, I will be waiting patiently for those detailed pictures of your most recent discovery.

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If you find an ordinance bomb on a scope mount part that should have been made in the 1960's, I'm calling fake.
Use of the ordinance bomb stamp ending in the mid 1950's before we introduced the M14. Parts that can be traced back to the original Garand use are a different matter.
By the post 1964 time frame the replacement for the ordinance bomb, (the DAS stamp) also fades away from use.

M1sniper has a buddy who had access to H&R M14 and even M16 parts that had been demilled with the DAS stamp, how would you explain that?

I myself, find it a bit puzzling. It seems nothing is always, mostly yes...but not always.

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Old August 20th, 2018, 03:46 PM   #89
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If anyone could have made the perfect scope mount for the M14 it might have looked like these. All they needed to improve them was Sadlak's locking dove tail piece.

These were prototypes made by Unertl (the scope company) several years ago before they went out of business. Only 12 copies of each were made and I don't know who got the others. I was fortunate to receive these two for evaluation. They are steel and include the bottom alignment spline. The vertical spline is unnecessary on a three point mount that include a cam lock type receiver screw.
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Old November 24th, 2018, 05:10 PM   #90
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who can ID this M1A1 mount

bought this today ,don't know why but it picked my curiosity .

fits the m1a1 but seems to need the rear sight knob to be taken off to have a great fit , did not want to take knob off tonight . anyway it seems to have a rail to fit a scope like the colt 3x20 or 4x20 but it is offset to the left .
no markings or stampings of maker , nothing !
okay take a look and see who can/might have info on this.
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