This is a discussion on Help! Scout is too loud within the The M14 forums, part of the M14 M1A Forum category; Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr Replace the factory piece with a Smith Vortex The Vortex might snag his skirt.....
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|August 20th, 2012, 04:14 AM||#16|
Join Date: Nov 2010
|August 20th, 2012, 05:52 AM||#18|
Join Date: Mar 2012
So why is it louder or is it just perceived louder because of the shorter barrel?? Meaning with the shorter barrel, the muzzle is closer to your ears. Or is it just actually louder and if so why??
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|August 20th, 2012, 06:45 AM||#19|
Dodgin' The Reaper
Join Date: Nov 2008
If the rifle is too loud, even with plugs and muffs, then I would say that you are the problem, not the rifle. Most of us shoot the rifle without issue with plugs only and don't suffer from any unusual hearing issues. My wife is like you, she has a hard time with some firearms even with double hearing protection. You guys just have ears that are more sensitive to either the noise or the pressure.
Remember that any muzzle device that is designed to be a break will SEEM louder because it pushes the hot gasses more toward the shooter. If you have a simple flash suppressor it will not seem as loud and may be more tolerable to you.
|August 20th, 2012, 07:18 AM||#20|
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea
I'd suggest something like a Noveske KX-3 Flaming Pig; it's designed to direct the muzzle blast forwards, to protect people close to the muzzle. I don't know if they offer it for the M14/M1A, but it's worth a look.
|August 20th, 2012, 07:38 AM||#21|
Join Date: Jun 2012
Although I have not seen the OP or any of the rest of you shoot I will pass along the following advise. A while back I was shooting at a rather crowded outdoor range and found the noise level on that day unusually annoying. During a cease fire I mentioned this to another shooter I knew. He nodded politely and then returned to shooting. At the next cease fire he said noticed something and advised that I needed to "Shut up and shoot." I was initially taken aback at his remark but as he was one not usually given to making derisive remarks I ask for a more detailed explanation. He related that he observed that while I was shooting I had my mouth open. This was providing a path for the sound into my ears through the estacean tubes. I did not realize that I was going slack jawed and have since made a conscious effort to correct this. So...not meaning to offend any of my fellow shooter/posters, if you should find the noise level more than just annoying...
Shut up and shoot!
|August 20th, 2012, 10:38 AM||#22|
Dodgin' The Reaper
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Sandy Valley, NV
You should go to a fifty cal shoot, 20-30 50 BMG's going off for 30 minutes, I touched off a round in my Steyr HS50 with no plug or muff on one ear, I thought the gun blew up. it totaly disoriented me for a couple of minutes. when you buy a Armalite AR50 they give you a pair of ear plugs and a packet of tylenol. One year in Reno, a guy shot his relay with a motorcycle helmet on, every body kind of laughed at him but I bet it helped.
|August 20th, 2012, 10:44 AM||#23|
Join Date: Jun 2012
|August 20th, 2012, 11:09 AM||#24|
Join Date: Jul 2010
Reminded me of old Jesse Ventura in the first Predator movie on the chopper going in for the rescue op.
What a hoot! They try but just dont make movies like them anymore.
|August 20th, 2012, 11:22 AM||#25|
Join Date: Aug 2004
I've got two Scout size M14's, one with the standard USGI FH and the other with the SEI CG brake. To me there is no difference in sound level. Maybe my hearing is already gone? There is a a pronounce difference in felt recoil between the two devices, though.
|August 20th, 2012, 11:39 AM||#27|
Join Date: Jan 2011
I would look at the quality of your plugs and ear muffs. Muffs alone have NRR ratings that run from about 15 to over 30. I use
the Peltor Ultimate 10's which I believe are rated at NRR 30. That with properly installed plugs should work well IMHO, they do
for me..... Good luck and good shooting!
|August 20th, 2012, 12:26 PM||#28|
Join Date: Aug 2012
For those that answered the question of whether the flash suppressor was any quieter than the brake, thanks.
I have quite a bit of hearing loss in my left ear, unless constant ringing counts as hearing, from many years of shooting. Have a few rifles go off right behind your head with no hearing protection and see how long your hearing lasts. I don't know if the army or some deafening shots in Africa did the most damage.
A muzzle break on a 308 class rifle is about the last thing in the world I need. The only reason to have one on this light of recoiling rifle is to see impact through the scope, which really doesn't apply to this weapon. I shoot hundreds, if not thousands, of rounds a month on my own range, and for hunting and control work. Sometimes on the farm, a shot is taken without hearing protection as its a moment of opportunity while doing something else.
Anyway, the brake will be going. I will try a flash suppressor or nothing at all, as I certainly don't need a brake to shoot this rifle and I'm not really concerned about muzzle flash for my intended use.
|August 20th, 2012, 12:27 PM||#29|
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: SF Bay Area, Ca
Not in my world at least. All there was, was the boom of rounds going down
range. I have had constant ringing in my ears since then.
I've used good muffs for the last 20 years, but all hi power rounds sound
similar to me regardless of muzzle device. However, if I'm close to a wall or
solid barrier then the sound does get reflected back good and loud. Gotta watch out for that.
On a happier note, I especially like when Jesse Ventura spits on the guys boots...
|August 20th, 2012, 12:58 PM||#30|
Join Date: May 2012
When we were in India I was in the back hatch talking to the ammo runner on the ground to the read. Had my headset off ao I could hear him. Didn't realize the next iteration was starting until my gunner opened up with the .50.
Since then, no problem with rifles being to loud. Except my old AR15 that had a bull barrel on it. Actually had my neighbor from a half mile down the road walk up to the pasture to see the cannon I was shooting. Was very disappointed to see it wasn't something exotic.
Peltor makes a noise amplifying/canceling headset. Cuts off anything above 80db, but will amplify quiet noises like people talking. I either use those or the issue ones.
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