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Old April 26th, 2020, 10:20 PM   #1
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No. 4 Mk 1

I have had this Fazakerley No. 4 Mk I for a bit. I had the chance to shoot her today given some great weather. I put twenty 303 MEN 174s through her today. I had a blast.

I checked the zero at 50 yards and it is shooting a bit left, though the elevation was about right.
I tried shooting a 24"x36" plate at 475 yards using the 300 m aperture. With some guesstimation, I pulled off this last 3 round group to finish the box out. I will take lucky over good any day.

What is the best way to drift the front sight?

Have I turned into a gas gun pansy, or does 303 British have a thump?
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Old April 26th, 2020, 10:53 PM   #2
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When I had a Mk2, I made a tool (like an anti-screwdriver) from a broken screw driver I found and cut the end flush and put a slot in it. Then drift it with a "soft" punch like brass or delrin.

I gave it away after selling the rifle.

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I drift mine with a brass punch. Does not seem to be a problem. Does not take much movement.

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Yes the .303 has a thump. I loaded some range friendly rounds to make shooting it more pleasant, especially the jungle carbine. Gotta love that fast Enfield bolt action.

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I was a bit surprised by the recoil. I thought 174 grain 303s at 2400-2500 fps would be softer. Felt a lot like my Finnish M39s in the recoil department.

Accuracy is definitely there.

I may need to get a new magazine spring. A couple times the bolt slid right over the cartridge. Not a big deal, but something I should sort out. That and the sights.

And I need a sling.

What would be considered a correct sling for a 1942 No. 4 Mk 1?

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Less recoil than a .308 or 7.5 Swiss. Much depends on shooter position and stock style. Recoil is about the same as a .30-40 Krag, all are noticeably less than a .30-06.

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What about Williams sights for the SMLE? Do they require drilling and tapping?

https://williamsgunsight.com/product/williams-5d-smle/

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I was a bit surprised by the recoil. I thought 174 grain 303s at 2400-2500 fps would be softer. Felt a lot like my Finnish M39s in the recoil department.

Accuracy is definitely there.

I may need to get a new magazine spring. A couple times the bolt slid right over the cartridge. Not a big deal, but something I should sort out. That and the sights.

And I need a sling.

What would be considered a correct sling for a 1942 No. 4 Mk 1?
These:

This pattern sling spans from 1908 to the mid to late-1960s

For RAF issued rifles, the color would be:

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I was a bit surprised by the recoil. I thought 174 grain 303s at 2400-2500 fps would be softer. Felt a lot like my Finnish M39s in the recoil department.

Accuracy is definitely there.

I may need to get a new magazine spring. A couple times the bolt slid right over the cartridge. Not a big deal, but something I should sort out. That and the sights.

And I need a sling.

What would be considered a correct sling for a 1942 No. 4 Mk 1?

Be sure to load the magazine so that each cartridges rim is in front of the rim below it. The sling is canvas and when mounted the hooks face out. Post a picture of the magazine from the side and looking straight on of the front so I can see if your lips are in the correct position.
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If you load with stripper clips or more correctly for an Enfield chargers, be sure the rounds are placed like the pictures show.
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If you load with stripper clips or more correctly for an Enfield chargers, be sure the rounds are placed like the pictures show.
That loading sequence never made much sense to me other than it is symmetric. In that config, two of the rounds are going to have to jump the rim of the round below it.

I've only shot my No4 in one match and I ultimately loaded the strippers sequentially such that no rims were overlapped. The risk was putting the stripper in upside down and having every rim locked.

What has your experience been?

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Two up and three down. It works even though it doesn't really look like it would. I shot about a half dozen CMP Matches that way and it worked great. Some practicing too.


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It is likely my noobish nature to SMLEs could have resulted in improperly loaded magazines. Thank you for the information.

Also, this No. 4 Mk 1 has the 300/600 m battle peep sights. I generally like the sights, but they aren't as tunable as the micrometer flip up sight on my 1955 RAF No. 4 Mk 2.

Is it hard to switch between sight types? Are the micrometer sights correct for a No. 4 Mk 1 from 1942? I get so confused with all the No's and Mk's... I can't keep them straight.

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front sight tool
293454436302 ebay
https://www.amazon.com/Enfield-Front.../dp/B07P4XC59F

if your shooting left,move front sight to the left


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It is likely my noobish nature to SMLEs could have resulted in improperly loaded magazines. Thank you for the information.

Also, this No. 4 Mk 1 has the 300/600 m battle peep sights. I generally like the sights, but they aren't as tunable as the micrometer flip up sight on my 1955 RAF No. 4 Mk 2. That is likely ROF, not RAF.

Is it hard to switch between sight types? Are the micrometer sights correct for a No. 4 Mk 1 from 1942? I get so confused with all the No's and Mk's... I can't keep them straight. The "flip" sights were a wartime expediency but all the different pattern sights were used interchangeably. They are easy to change. Just drive out the small pin on the right side, remove the axis pin to the left, swap the sight, and reinstall the pins.
Just my thoughts.

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