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Old January 14th, 2010, 08:02 PM   #16
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Well, after some more "hunting" around Adam(my boss) anthony paul and i were all in the back room working when the subject of the 7.62 vs. 5.56 came up. And we were also talking about battle zero, and then anthony who is Marin Reserve, asked adam, and adam then mentioned that they didn't have M16 A2's back in the day so he couldn't comment, but he wouldn't talk much either but he did say he was an Army medic then joined the Marines afterwords. Still can't get a story out of him, but Anthony did say that in the 2 years he has been there that Anthony spent some serious time over in Southeast asia.

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Old January 15th, 2010, 10:58 AM   #17
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Old January 15th, 2010, 12:06 PM   #18
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"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers. For he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother; be never so vile. This day shall gentle his condition. And gentlemen in England now abed shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.”
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One of My Favorite Quotes from Shakespeare !!!

A Vietnam Vet Buddy and I TOAST Each Other And 'The Boys On The Wall' Every Veteran's Day with That Quote!!!

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Old January 16th, 2010, 01:20 AM   #19
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This is the reason so many veterans don't get along with civilians. There is a point where you learn to not invest any part of you into any situation that isn't life or death. Try to remember that when you are spooled up over some stupid little issue and your boss seems oblivious to it.

Civilians get involved in self made drama over every little crappy thing that they experience. Before my time in the sandbox I was a by-the-book, picture perfect Jarhead, when I came back I still dressed and conducted myself by the regs but I wasn't spit and polish any more. I found substance is more important than imagery.
wish my wife would read this

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Old January 16th, 2010, 05:40 AM   #20
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I had a brother-in-law ,who like me also was drafted but into the Army back in '67,he served as a 11B in the 1st Air Cav. riding hueys and did alot of ground pounding also .

He would only talk about Nam to my brother (another Viet-vet) and to me .He earned two bronze stars ,one with valor for being on the recieving end of a claymore (US made weapon ) that the Vietcong shot at his squad ,got everyone but him and the other guy on the other end of that line as they were going through elephant grass.He and that other guy drugged everyone in that squad out dead or alive.The second bronze star must of been for surviving that day as all in his company got their's also , a picture of them shows about a small platoon size group with alot of M 60s in that photo ,whole company got hit that day .

He had alot of stories ,what few times he would talk about them.I always told him that his story of his life was far better than mine and worth a fortune , where mine was less . He chose to take it to his death I guess ,he took alot of pictures of Nam .

He died at age 60 ( I'm this age now ) a few years ago ,is the greatest humane being that I've known , humbles this jarhead .He smoked himself to his death , all his medals he earn could never take him from his memories of his time doing what a guy who put himself through college ,got married to my sister and then drafted from his school teaching job to fight in a war that left him more terroring memories than most !He return,raised two children ,was married to my sister until the end and would continue teaching until he retired !


I salute my brother-in -law ,Steven Ernst ,Sgt., " for without those who did what they had to at a time when most would of never wanted to be there , " a big thanks ! He wanted to be cremated and there is no marker of him ,until I put his name on the memorial wall in this small Iowan town that I live in ,had to put up mine also as my Legion brothers wanted me to do that ,may some day put up my older rival in life Viet-vet brother's also !I did this soon after his death ,as he will not be forgotten now !

The stare that I never got ( did my trigger time at night and was never challenge ), is fine by me .

Carpshooter.... I went to school in Iowa and I had a science teacher named Mr. Ernst. I don't remember his first name though. Did he teach in Oakland (small town SW Iowa)?

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Old January 21st, 2010, 10:39 AM   #22
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:59 AM   #24
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Old February 4th, 2010, 04:04 PM   #25
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This whole thing is definately bizzare to say the least. It effects some guys almost right after they come home, and some it doesn't seem to bother for years. No cookie cutter answer on this one.

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CAB = Combat Action Badge = Army
CAR = Combat Action Ribbon = USMC
CIB = Combat Infantry Badge = Army
Also, CAR = Combat Action Ribbon = Navy

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Old December 29th, 2010, 04:11 PM   #27
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Here is a orginal photo I have. It is a photo of a captured Tanker by the Germans.

He has the 1,000 yard stare.......



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Old January 6th, 2011, 07:07 PM   #28
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This whole thing is definately bizzare to say the least. It effects some guys almost right after they come home, and some it doesn't seem to bother for years. No cookie cutter answer on this one.
You are correct! I walked away from VN in 71 and buried everything inside me under a BIG rock, then about 08 the rock rolled off and it all came out. For the first time in 38 years I told my wife of my past life, that I was a Marine and what I did over there. Yea it was a shock to her, but she has held me together. I have a cold stare, but it's not the 1000 yard kind, it's the kind a hunter gets when it's kill gets within range. That still sticks with me even today.

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To this day I still won't talk about what I did or what happened to me over in the giant sandbox of Iraq. I have only spoken of it once to my dad who is a Korean war marine and only when I was thinking about pushing the giant EJECT button. But I can say this I find solace in shooting and hunting. For those who have ever loomed into the face of the enemy and done the things that needed to be done because their country asked them to then I join you in remebering those that have come before me and those that will come after I have long since been forgotten.
" For there is no hunting lokebthe hunting of man. For those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it for nothing else will they ever care."
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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:01 AM   #30
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To this day I still won't talk about what I did or what happened to me over in the giant sandbox of Iraq. I have only spoken of it once to my dad who is a Korean war marine and only when I was thinking about pushing the giant EJECT button. But I can say this I find solace in shooting and hunting. For those who have ever loomed into the face of the enemy and done the things that needed to be done because their country asked them to then I join you in remebering those that have come before me and those that will come after I have long since been forgotten.
" For there is no hunting lokebthe hunting of man. For those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it for nothing else will they ever care."
Ernest Hemingway
Hang in there brother, your not alone by any means!
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