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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:40 PM   #1
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Question PTSD?

Not counting the truly horrible things that were experienced by vets during war , and I'm not talking about vets exclusively. PTSD seems to have become a catch-all claim for every little thing that happens in someone's life they don't like or excuse for when they lose control.

Like most combat vets , my dad saw some terrible stuff during WWII and shortly after when he went into POW and concentration camps as a Liberator/translator (he spoke fluent Polish).
He had visible bad reactions (shakes , tears , fits of rage) to many WWII tv shows like The World at War and the Nuermburg trials. In fact , I was not allowed to watch Hogans Heros growing up because of his going violently off the rail about Nazis. Many WWI , WWII , Korea , Vietnam had it , but the term PTSD was not even thought of.

Now I hear todays (non-vet) millennial/snowflake generation claiming PTSD for every negative childhood or adolescent event they experienced. They're not responsible for their actions , they need drugs , they can't hold a job and must go on disability for the seemingly mildest event.

I'm sure many are claiming PTSD because of the recent election results!

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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:47 PM   #2
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Traumatic stress is not limited to combat persons.

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Old January 7th, 2017, 04:15 PM   #3
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I have some non-combat yet mil related PTSD, 12 years later I still have dreams, not nightmares, but dreams that intrude in to real life and do honestly affect the way I live my life now. It has become a catchall for all kinds of BS stress that every person has in life, sooner or later. It does seem to be a crutch for many, a way in which they don't take responsibility for their behaviors, etc..,
One of my buddies though, he did one of those 18 month tours in Iraq at the height of the war and he couldn't watch "American Sniper", first minute of it he was up and left the room. He didn't have a problem with "Lone Survivor", though, to which he said "I was in Iraq is why that American Sniper bothers me".

 
 
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Old January 7th, 2017, 04:27 PM   #5
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So many variables and so many different people enduring different things. But to skip over the bull crap, yes, many people claim the dog piss out of it without ever experiencing anything worth mentioning.

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So many variables and so many different people enduring different things.
This.
Too much going on with too many different people. It's probably easier for them to classify it as some sort of PTSD rather than spending time/money trying to find the root cause.

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also, everyone and their mom has a damn service dog. Of course, plenty that need them..... but not that many

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Old January 7th, 2017, 05:10 PM   #9
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Not counting the truly horrible things that were experienced by vets during war , and I'm not talking about vets exclusively. PTSD seems to have become a catch-all claim for every little thing that happens in someone's life they don't like or excuse for when they lose control.

Like most combat vets , my dad saw some terrible stuff during WWII and shortly after when he went into POW and concentration camps as a Liberator/translator (he spoke fluent Polish).
He had visible bad reactions (shakes , tears , fits of rage) to many WWII tv shows like The World at War and the Nuermburg trials. In fact , I was not allowed to watch Hogans Heros growing up because of his going violently off the rail about Nazis.

Many WWI , WWII , Korea , Vietnam had it , but the term PTSD was not even thought of.
That last part is not quite correct, except that yes, 'PTSD' as a TERM was in fact not coined until 1980!
But, 'PTSD', in my opinion...has been around FOREVER!
*Herodus wrote about a warrior in the battle of Marathon who went blind when the warrior next to him was killed.
*Numbers 31 , Verse 19 talks about how Moses after the battle with the Midianites required his soldiers to camp away from the tribe for 7 days and purify themselves before rejoining the tribe.
*In the U.S. Civil War...there was 'Soldier's Heart'!
*In WWI, they called it 'Shell Shock'!
*In WWII, they called it 'Combat Fatigue'! 1 in 4 casualties were due to it! 1 of 2 'casulaties' in Combat were due to it, 26,000 alone just on Okinawa. 37% of Combat Troops in WWII were discharged for Psychological reasons...
(I realize these are Shocking numbers...that's not what we were told or taught...but studies have gone back and looked at the raw data!)
*The American Psychological Association published it's first DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in 1952, post-WWII and before the Korean War was concluded...it used the term 'Gross Stress Reaction' which was intended to include both Military and Civilians, partly based upon the 1942 Cocoanut Grove Fire.
*But the DSM II, published in 1968(Mid-Vietnam War) Omitted that same term!
*Not until 1980 in the DSM III did the term 'Post Traumatic Stress Disorder' appear! And it too was intended to address both Military and Civilians!!!

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That last part is not quite correct, except that yes, 'PTSD' as a TERM was in fact not ffcoined until 1980!
But, 'PTSD', in my opinion...has been around FOREVER!
*Herodus wrote about a warrior in the battle of Marathon who went blind when the warrior next to him was killed.
*Numbers 31 , Verse 19 talks about how Moses after the battle with the Midianites required his soldiers to camp away from the tribe for 7 days and purify themselves before rejoining the tribe.
*In the U.S. Civil War...there was 'Soldier's Heart'!
*In WWI, they called it 'Shell Shock'!
*In WWII, they called it 'Combat Fatigue'! 1 in 4 casualties were due to it! 1 of 2 'casulaties' in Combat were due to it, 26,000 alone just on Okinawa. 37% of Combat Troops in WWII were discharged for Psychological reasons...
(I realize these are Shocking numbers...that's not what we were told or taught...but studies have gone back and looked at the raw data!)
*The American Psychological Association published it's first DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in 1952, post-WWII and before the Korean War was concluded...it used the term 'Gross Stress Reaction' which was intended to include both Military and Civilians, partly based upon the 1942 Cocoanut Grove Fire.
*But the DSM II, published in 1968(Mid-Vietnam War) Omitted that same term!
*Not until 1980 in the DSM III did the term 'Post Traumatic Stress Disorder' appear! And it too was intended to address both Military and Civilians!!!

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Once again CAVman is posting great info and responses.

Ptsd has had many names.

Also I wouldn't be so quick to discredit someone else's traumatic experience.

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CAVman, you didn't mention the term used for Vietnam; "flashbacks." e.g. Drop to the ground and look for cover when fireworks went off on the 4th of July.

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CAVman, you didn't mention the term used for Vietnam; "flashbacks." e.g. Drop to the ground and look for cover when fireworks went off on the 4th of July.
My understanding is that 'Flashbacks' are just one of the many possible symptoms or examples of PTSD!

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Old January 7th, 2017, 05:36 PM   #13
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Yet some who do suffer symptoms are afraid to seek treatment for fear of being diagnosed with PTSD and discovered as a "threat" in various capacities....

I agree with the OP though.....too many try using it as crutch/disability. I know one sierra bravo that blames his BS anger issues on it. Brags too much about it. Pisses me off......as I know a few who have adjustment difficulties, show symptoms, and refuse to speak about it and shut down until the topic is changed. They, and their spouses/family are suffering along with them. All for fear that they will be labeled in a negative way. Yet others spout off about how they have "it" and demand compensation.....makes me sick.

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Old January 7th, 2017, 09:19 PM   #14
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anger issues could also be a sympton of undiagnosed bipolar,add,adhd issues

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Old January 7th, 2017, 09:25 PM   #15
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Great post Cavman

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