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Old December 28th, 2016, 07:19 AM   #46
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Howdy Buckeroos,

I never served.
My Dad served in WWII in the Navy - he kept his uniform and acouterments for fifty years.

That said, if you did not earn it, don't wear it.

Being in the Land of The Free allows self-centered morons to act like self-centered morons.

As my Mother would say,"some people just choose to be uncouth."

Enough said.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 07:38 AM   #47
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What I never understood about these stolen valor types is that they're always either a SEAL, Recon, Delta, PJ, etc....nobody ever claims to be the cook or supply clerk.

I'm sure it's probably nothing new, but was stolen valor as rampant, say, back in the 60's? I wouldn't think so, but I wasn't around then. From what I'm told, it wasn't a particularly popular time to be in the military (as viewed by some). I think many folks are simply trying to cash-in on the post-911 "thanks for your service."

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Old December 28th, 2016, 07:43 AM   #48
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I believe there are exceptions to all of these rules. This little guy grew up, served in the Marine Corps and currently owns a SA M1a.


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Old December 28th, 2016, 07:45 AM   #49
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No one should be claiming anything that they are not, period.

However, one does not have to have only been in the Military to Sacrifice for your Country and Fellow Man.

If you doubt this statement, I would ask that you to speak to the families of the Fallen Police Officers, Firefighters and other First Responders who have died in the Service of this Great Country.

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The first sentence is a highly inflammatory remark with or without a stupid emo. Totally uncalled for. " don't expect (civilians) to understand things like courage, honor or self-sacrifice"? Then a little emo is supposed to make that OK? That's baloney. Thought we were supposed to be civil around here.

I posted this just now in response to another post defending more or less the post in question. Said post appears to be gone, otherwise I was done with this. Not trying to beat the horse.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 08:28 AM   #51
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I'm sure it's probably nothing new, but was stolen valor as rampant, say, back in the 60's? I wouldn't think so, but I wasn't around then. From what I'm told, it wasn't a particularly popular time to be in the military (as viewed by some). I think many folks are simply trying to cash-in on the post-911 "thanks for your service."

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Back in the 60's there was not much in the way of "stolen valor". Even before VN, it was extremely uncommon for folks to claim to be veteran if they were not or to "enhance" their service records. I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the majority of males in the 60's had some military experience - thus, military service was nothing unique. However, today only a very small percentage of the male population in this country have had military experience.

Relative to comments regarding the character of those who did not serve vs those who did, I have to admit that I've had to deal with service members that were certainly not shining examples of good character. I have personally witnessed service members who were not doing their duty and they were given general discharges (based in part on my recommendation). On the other hand, I have friends who did not serve who I would want next to me when the chips were down. Just my perspective.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 09:04 AM   #52
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As Rickgman pointed out back in the 60's most men had military service due to "The Draft"(something that I feel should be re-instituted!). The only time that your service would come up was when you were at the VFW/AL or with some old buddies having a beer. Today's wannabe's shouldn't be -period. You honor your dad's service by what you carry in your heart, not what you hang on your chest or stick on your head. Display your dad's military dodads on the wall in your home-not strutting around in public. Chances are he didn't ware them out and about-he lived thru what they cost and didn't want to be reminded-honor that. I don't care how many war movies you've watched or how good you are at war games-IT AIN"T THE SAME!! I'll go quietly back over to my corner now.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 09:32 AM   #53
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I always choke when I see civilian police officers wearing military rank insignia. Especially little town USA chief wearing 4 stars . That's just wrong.
that's because they are to illiterate to spell chief

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Old December 28th, 2016, 10:41 AM   #54
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Shooter! I have been wearing a USMC 'cover' for many years now... It was forced upon me by a USMC recruiter I met and became friends with way back in jr college that he attended while he was stationed at 29 Palms... He brought me one from the PX and took my old "Chevy" cap off me and told me I had to wear that from then on...

I have no qualms... He was one of the best men I ever knew and his wife made great chocolate chip cookies!
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In another case, I'm a Navy vet and a member of the Marine Corps League. There are also Army, Air Force and other vets in the league as associate members.

The League insignia has an EGA in it and we wear it on our jackets. Of course the logo reads "Marine Corps League" but it's still close to the Marine EGA.

On a lot of the gear there is just an EGA. I sometimes get edgy about wearing the symbol of the corps but it's just part of the territory.

None of the Marine vets in the league mind it as we all work together.

I am quick to correct anyone if they mistakenly refer to me as a Marine.

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/12...als-court.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Valor_Act_of_2013
http://taskandpurpose.com/5-offender...-stolen-valor/
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdia/pr...act-conviction


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We can't espouse a culture of military glorification in this country, and then complain about those that wish to share in a little of the spotlight.

Sometimes people buy things at a surplus store or they are just ignorant. I strip off my rank and patches when dropping off my old uniforms.

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Maybe a little insight.
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That is all, carry on.

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Old December 28th, 2016, 02:25 PM   #59
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It's been my feeling that nobody should wear military insignias , decorations , medals , badges of rank , etc that they did not earn.

I've been seeing some members of certain motorcycle riding groups who never served wear them saying ''it's my Dad's/son's/relatives. I wear it to honor them''.

Then IMO , you should get a patch made that says "In honor of Sgt. Daddy"!

My Dad was a Staff Sgt during WWII. Lots of medals. He's gone. I have them now. I don't wear them.

I wear my own Navy PO2 'crow' , Aircrew wings , AO insignia , station/squadron patches , etc. I earned them.

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I have not served and I wholeheartedly agree

I received a ball cap for donating to a homeless vets organization some time ago. Caption reads "if you love your freedom thank a vet"
Beautiful two tone cap. I have hesitantly worn it, worried some would read it as I am a veteran. Recently a waitress came up and asked to shake my hand while thanking me for my service. Of course I explained how I came by the hat and that only my son has served.

I haven't worn it since. Even though it's not a military hat per se. I just feel......undeserving some how to wear something some will construe as me having served.

I did however since then get a Colt cap and a Springfield Armory hat to wear instead.

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The first sentence is a highly inflammatory remark with or without a stupid emo. Totally uncalled for. " don't expect (civilians) to understand things like courage, honor or self-sacrifice"? Then a little emo is supposed to make that OK? That's baloney. Thought we were supposed to be civil around here.


I always thought that we served so the women, children and others wouldn't have to.
I guess that makes me one of the "others", whatever that's supposed to mean. For the record my draft card states classification 1-H which I am sure you know means "national emergency or war". I have suffered near total deafness in one ear since a childhood illness, thus exempt from service unless as stated above. As I said before I have the utmost respect for those that did and do serve. And while vets have the same rights to their opinions as everyone else does, their opinions are not given extra weight because of that service and are not special. We are all citizens of this country whether we served or not.

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