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Old December 4th, 2016, 08:00 AM   #1
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4 quit after Oklahoma veteran with maggots in wound dies

Published December 04, 2016
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TALIHINA, Okla. — Four staff members have resigned from a southeastern Oklahoma veterans facility rather than face the possibility of getting fired, after a resident was found to have maggots in a wound.

Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs executive director Myles Deering said the maggots were discovered while the patient was alive at the facility in Talihina, about 130 miles southeast of Tulsa. Deering said the maggots were not the cause of his death.

Deering said the veteran came to the center with an infection and died of sepsis, the Tulsa World reported.

The agency said a physician's assistant and three nurses, including the director of nursing, resigned after an investigation was conducted. Spokesman Shane Faulkner said all four chose to resign before the termination process began.

The incident was reported to the Oklahoma State Department of Health and the district attorney for LeFlore and Latimer counties to determine if any charges should be filed.

Raymie Parker identified the late veteran as his father, Owen Reese Peterson. He died Oct. 3 at age 73.

"During the 21 days I was there ... I pled with the medical staff, the senior medical staff, to increase his meds so his bandages could be changed," Parker said. "I was met with a stonewall for much of that time."

Deering said the agency has been considering moving from the nearly 100-year-old facility, because fixing the existing building would take millions of dollars. Sen. Frank Simpson said the facility was also faced with the inability to find and retain staff.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/04...ound-dies.html

Allowed to quit so they won't get fired????? They ought to be staked out in a cow pasture with several small cuts and let the flies and buzzards have them!

It's past time to shut down the VA, give each vet a credit card for medical care and let the vet go to whoever can treat his problem the best. The statement goes to Uncle Sam. The VA has proven over and over that they are not competent to provide care for anyone! HH

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Allowed to quit so they won't get fired????? They ought to be staked out in a cow pasture with several small cuts and let the flies and buzzards have them!
A-freaking-men. At the very least someone should see the inside of a jail cell, for God's sake. That is unacceptable any way you look at it - veteran, civilian - hell, even for pets.

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TALIHINA, Okla. Four staff members have resigned from a southeastern Oklahoma veterans facility rather than face the possibility of getting fired, after a resident was found to have maggots in a wound.

Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs executive director Myles Deering said the maggots were discovered while the patient was alive at the facility in Talihina, about 130 miles southeast of Tulsa. Deering said the maggots were not the cause of his death.

Deering said the veteran came to the center with an infection and died of sepsis, the Tulsa World reported.

The agency said a physician's assistant and three nurses, including the director of nursing, resigned after an investigation was conducted. Spokesman Shane Faulkner said all four chose to resign before the termination process began.

The incident was reported to the Oklahoma State Department of Health and the district attorney for LeFlore and Latimer counties to determine if any charges should be filed.

Raymie Parker identified the late veteran as his father, Owen Reese Peterson. He died Oct. 3 at age 73.

"During the 21 days I was there ... I pled with the medical staff, the senior medical staff, to increase his meds so his bandages could be changed," Parker said. "I was met with a stonewall for much of that time."

Deering said the agency has been considering moving from the nearly 100-year-old facility, because fixing the existing building would take millions of dollars. Sen. Frank Simpson said the facility was also faced with the inability to find and retain staff.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/04...ound-dies.html

Allowed to quit so they won't get fired????? They ought to be staked out in a cow pasture with several small cuts and let the flies and buzzards have them!

It's past time to shut down the VA, give each vet a credit card for medical care and let the vet go to whoever can treat his problem the best. The statement goes to Uncle Sam. The VA has proven over and over that they are not competent to provide care for anyone! HH
The Story IS Horrendous!
No Question.
But who thinks similar things don't happen in For-Profit Nursing Homes and Clinics? We know they do.
So...Why is 'Privatiization' instead of REFORM is the answer?
And yes, these people should definitely be Prosecuted!

Also, Veterans Disability Ratings and Disability Payments are Inextricably tied to that same VA Clinic and Hospital System!
As bad as it is now---imagine what it would be like with a Private Corporation making money based upon how many Veterans are Denied Disablity?

Give Veterans Vouchers or Credit Cards?
1. Veterans would be in the same long lines with Medicare, Medicaid and many other 'card-holders'...and Private Doctors hate billing the Government!
2. Once the VA Clinic/Hospital System is Gone---It's Gone! If the 'experiment' doesn't work...too bad!
3. Congress authorized the 'CHOICE' program(as a short term temporary fix)to allow Vets to go to private medical providers---I can tell you that's a mess!

My Opinion Is---We Need To Demand Congress To Fix The VA! NOT to Abandon It!

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Guys, I didn't say a medi- care card for the vets, I said a credit card (Visa or Mastercard) and the statement goes to the government. I didn't say for the vets to only go to docs that accept government payments, I said to let them choose the doc and facility that could treat them the best. And doing this I think will cost less than the VA bureaucracy and give the vets much better care.

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There are plenty of qualified medical professionals who would love to work for the VA, in spite of the labor statistics we are fed.
Why else are hospital administrators nationwide cutting nursing staff's hours to 'save money'?

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Guys, I didn't say a medi- care card for the vets, I said a credit card (Visa or Mastercard) and the statement goes to the government. I didn't say for the vets to only go to docs that accept government payments, I said to let them choose the doc and facility that could treat them the best. And doing this I think will cost less than the VA bureaucracy and give the vets much better care.

How would that work?

'Thanks For Your Service! Here's your life-time, no-limit, no questions asked Visa Card courtesy of Uncle Sam, use it whenever, wherever and with whoever you want...oh, and if your Chiropractor thinks you are 100% Disabled, just let us know and we'll set you up with a Debit Card with a monthly benefit!'

Seriously...Think About It...There is a System in place, going all the way back to 'A. Lincoln'...it can't just be 'Replaced'! It has to be Fixed!

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How would that work?

'Thanks For Your Service! Here's your life-time, no-limit, no questions asked Visa Card courtesy of Uncle Sam, use it whenever, wherever and with whoever you want...oh, and if your Chiropractor thinks you are 100% Disabled, just let us know and we'll set you up with a Debit Card with a monthly benefit!'

Seriously...Think About It...There is a System in place, going all the way back to 'A. Lincoln'...it can't just be 'Replaced'! It has to be Fixed!

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OK, let's fix it. Which Federal agency works efficiently, stays within a budget for projects and provides excellent customer service to the citizens that we can use as an example on how to repair the VA?

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I'm confused ..... This news story mentions the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs but says nothing about the federal VA. It appears this incident occurred at an Oklahoma state facility. Am I incorrect?

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I'm confused ..... This news story mentions the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs but says nothing about the federal VA. It appears this incident occurred at an Oklahoma state facility. Am I incorrect?
Yes, you are correct GardenValley.


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Yes, you are correct GardenValley.

It is an unfortunate incident whether at a state facility or the VA, but I'd prefer not to blame the VA if they were not at fault.

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The state veterans program administered by the Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs, under the direction of the Oklahoma Veterans Commission as the controlling board, provides a complete service to the State's veterans. This service includes nursing care, financial assistance in emergencies, and field service counseling in the filing of claims for U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs and state benefits.

Oklahoma is one of the top two states in the nation with seven veterans centers providing intermediate to skilled nursing care for its veterans. These centers are located in Ardmore, Claremore, Clinton, Lawton, Norman, Sulphur, and Talihina.

The Oklahoma Department of Veterans Affairs also has a Claims and Benefits Division. This division has offices at the V.A. Regional Office in Muskogee; V.A. Medical Center, Oklahoma City; V.A. Medical Center, Muskogee; V.A. Outpatient Clinic, Tulsa; and the Lawton/Fort Sill Oklahoma Veterans Center. For further convenience of Oklahoma's veterans, the Claims and Benefits Division has Veterans Service Representatives who travel on an itinerant basis offering assistance in all counties throughout the state.

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10014 SE. 1138th Ave. Talihina , OK 74571 Phone: 918-567-2251

The Talihina Veterans Center was originally constructed as the Eastern Oklahoma Tuberculosis Sanatorium in 1921. The name was changed in 1972, to Oklahoma State Sanatorium. On July 1, 1975, the Sanatorium was transferred to the control of the War Veterans Commission to provide nursing care to Oklahoma veterans, both male and female.

The Oklahoma Veterans Center at Talihina, Okla., is located approximately 2 miles northwest of Talihina on State Highway 63A. Largest in area of all the centers, it is situated on a beautiful 600 acre site at the western edge of the mountainous Ouachita National Forest. The immediate center grounds are adorned with huge native pine and oak trees, three fishing ponds, patios and other outdoor activity areas for the 175 nursing care patients including a 50 bed Special Needs Unit. A full time staff of doctors, registered nurses and other medical personnel assure the patients the highest quality of care.

For admission information, the applicant should communicate directly with the Admissions Office at P.O. Box 1168 or 10014 SE. 1138th Ave., Talihina, Oklahoma 74571 or by phone at 918-567-2251 or by fax at 918-567-2950 or by email.

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Guys, I'm confused now, but it seems the facility is owned by Oklahoma and is supported by Federal payments for the vets? Hopefully an Oklahoma vet will come through here and help us out. HH

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What is an Oklahoma Veterans Center?
An Oklahoma Veterans Center is a long-term skilled nursing care facility for Veterans that is operated by the state of Oklahoma and approved by the federal Department of Veterans Affairs. Oklahoma Veterans Centers are inspected and licensed by the Oklahoma State Department of Health.

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It seems the buck stops with the Federal VA. HH

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The medical industry in this country is between a rock and a hard place.

As soon as the government, or anyone, announces up front how much they are willing to pay for something, instantly all suppliers will raise their prices to the maximum covered amount. THink about it, are eyeglasses frames, a $5 item really worth $700? No, but if people have an insurance policy that caps at $700 a year, and they didn't need anything this year, you bet someone is gonna find a way to let them spend up to the $700 maximum on the lat day of the year.

Same is true if you just give someone an unfettered VISA card for treatment. All the sudden lots of facilities will spring up catering to veterans. Not catering to their needs, but catering to their credit cards, to make sure they make maximum money off the taxpayer, while minimizing what they actually spend on veteran's care.

I think the VA model is the best solution, where services are provided by a non-profit agency. What I do not know is how you manage those agencies so lazyness or understaffing does not make it possible to provide inadequate care. I seem to recall that the last time the VA had a scandal, the President himself could not just fire people because of something .... unions? That's BS right there!

Get an agency where it pays well to work there (so you attract the best and the brightest), and create an oversight organization under separate management, who make sure it is being done right, and who have the authority to fire people who are not doing it right.

Indeed, I'd create 3 oversight committees, where the budgetary split for the 3 of them is variable, based on performance. That gives them motivation to do their jobs well or get demoted.

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We have similar facilities here in Texas. They are owned and operated by the State of Texas and while all of these facilities in any state may be inspected and approved by the VA, the day-to-day operation is conducted by the state, not the VA. I'm all for placing blame on the VA when they are responsible, but I'm not a proponent of guilt by association.

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