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Old December 4th, 2016, 06:31 PM   #16
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Allow me to re-phrase please, whoever is responsible for allowing maggots in this vet's wound needs to be shot.

Whoever is operating this medical facility needs to have their competency questioned.

The Federal VA is charged with oversight of the Oklahoma facility, with their track record enough said.

I believe our vets need the medical care promised to them. Right now we are not doing that as a country. Now, lets go take care of our vets!

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Old December 4th, 2016, 06:55 PM   #17
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(CNN) -- A Missouri VA hospital is under fire because it may have exposed more than 1,800 veterans to life-threatening diseases such as hepatitis and HIV.

John Cochran VA Medical Center in St. Louis has recently mailed letters to 1,812 veterans telling them they could contract hepatitis B, hepatitis C and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) after visiting the medical center for dental work, said Rep. Russ Carnahan.

Carnahan said Tuesday he is calling for a investigation into the issue and has sent a letter to President Obama about it.

"This is absolutely unacceptable," said Carnahan, a Democrat from Missouri. "No veteran who has served and risked their life for this great nation should have to worry about their personal safety when receiving much needed healthcare services from a Veterans Administration hospital."

The issue stems from a failure to clean dental instruments properly, the hospital told CNN affiliate KSDK.

KSDK: VA dental patients at risk of infection

Dr. Gina Michael, the association chief of staff at the hospital, told the affiliate that some dental technicians broke protocol by hand washing tools before putting them in cleaning machines.

The instruments were supposed to only be put in the cleaning machines, Michael said.

The hand washing started in February 2009 and went on until March of this year, the hospital told KSDK.

The hospital has set up a special clinic and education centers to help patients who may have been infected. However, Carnahan said he feels more should be done and those responsible should be disciplined.

"I can only imagine the horror and anger our veterans must be feeling after receiving this letter," Carnahan said. "They have every right to be angry. So am I."

This is not the first time this year a hospital has been in hot water for not following proper procedures.

In June, Palomar Hospital in San Diego, California, has sent certified letters to 3,400 patients who underwent colonoscopy and other similar procedures, informing the patients that there may be a potential of infection from items used and reused in the procedures.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/30/va.hospital.hiv/#

I still think getting rid of the VA is the only to stop reading articles like the above. HH

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Old December 4th, 2016, 07:20 PM   #18
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If your ongoin thesis is that 'Private Hospitals' are The Answer...

Is there in fact valid and objective comparative data showing that Private Hospitals are in fact that much better than VA Facilities, State or Federal?

Or is there just a lot of attention being paid to the VA System recently?

I mean, it's pretty much an 'article of faith' here that we don't trust the Media, Right?



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Old December 4th, 2016, 08:05 PM   #19
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For whatever faults exist in the VA system, my vote is to fix the system instead of scrapping it for an unknown alternative. With the VA we at least have a system that is focused on veteran's health issues whereas the civilian system would be lacking in insight.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 04:38 AM   #20
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OK, let's fix it. Which Federal agency works efficiently, stays within a budget for projects and provides excellent customer service to the citizens that we can use as an example on how to repair the VA?
TVA, we havent accepted any tax payer dollars since 1959. We've paid down almost 12 Billion in debt over the last few years. 99% power reliability, we went a little over budget on WBN U2 construction but thats because of regulations. We are 7th or 8th in cheapest electricity prices in the US. As far as I know we are the only self sufficient government agency in the US.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 08:19 AM   #21
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Well being a person who worked the last 30 years in the private hospital system. We would do a better job than the VA . We don't get away with the same s*** the VA does you can always go somewhere else we are not the only game in town. We get fired in a heartbeat if we screw up. Ii have personally take care of any vets from WW1.WW2,Korea,Veitnam and many present wars and conflicts. I didn't care who was paying the bill they got my full attention and skill. I believe a card that would allow vets to go where ever they want would be better for them. The VA should be reformed fixed and only be used for active members of the military there are not enough facilities to take care or the rest in my opinion. Also get rid of Walter Reed make Congress get their care from their respective state located VA.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 08:36 AM   #22
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OK ...
As a CANADIAN who visits the US fairly often
I have almost complete ( and so far in my personal experience COMPETENT) INEXPENSIVE health care coverage, while any where in Canada.

When visiting the US, I also have fairly extensive supplemental/travel medical coverage

My biggest fears when visiting the US are
A) a hospital visit
B) being shot ( so far in my personal experience in the U S , more likely by a policeman rather than any "bad guy").
C) All other perils.

THE ENTIRE US MEDICAL SYSTEM IS A FARCE, STATISTICALLY PROVEN TO BE MUCH MORE DANGEROUS TO YOUR HEALTH THAN FIREARMS !

Google the statistics for "Death due to meducal mistakes", and compare to " death by firearms", and the harsh reality is that you are much MUCH more likely to be killed by a doctor than a gun.

But which method of execution gets all the attention in the media??

I am currently living in Mexico for this Winter.

The meduial insurance was inexpensive,
The medical care in the Gringo rich areas is comparable to much of the US,
AND SO FAR,
contrary to my experiences in the US,
No Mexican police have pointed their guns at me.

While I may spend some of thIs Winter in ArIzona,
AGAIN,
I actually feel.safer in Mexico,
and if I have any medical emergencies,
It will certaimly be cheaper.

As a foreign "alien" looking in from the outsude,
It ain't just the VA medical system that is rotten in the US.

This is just my PERSONAL opinion,
Based on my personal experiences visiting in the US of A.
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Old December 5th, 2016, 08:45 AM   #23
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That's just to sad. I hope that the four lose their license to practice Nursing or doctor and prosecuted for negligence.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 09:37 AM   #24
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A-freaking-men. At the very least someone should see the inside of a jail cell, for God's sake. That is unacceptable any way you look at it - veteran, civilian - hell, even for pets.
If they did this to pets, I can guarantee that they would be in jail. People nowadays set greater store over animals than they do humans.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 10:14 AM   #25
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The VA should be reformed fixed and only be used for active members of the military there are not enough facilities to take care or the rest in my opinion.
VA Hospitals are intended for VETERANS!

There are numerous MILITARY Hospitals(Over 50!)for Active-Duty Military.
They both are intended to serve a specific population, and when operated properly do a good job...
We need to FIX this...not Dump It!

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Old December 5th, 2016, 12:56 PM   #26
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VA Hospitals are intended for VETERANS!

There are numerous MILITARY Hospitals(Over 50!)for Active-Duty Military.
They both are intended to serve a specific population, and when operated properly do a good job...
We need to FIX this...not Dump It!

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I agree with you but I think you would be better served if you can go where you want and find the best for your problem or illness. If a retired vet I'd not have to use the VA system all the time it would open up resources for active duty and families. This also takes away the excuse they are over worked and under staffed. But when you think about how much time you spend traveling to VA hospitals when a local hospital has the resources you need with a doctor you know and trust it would be much better.
I know people hear horror stories about hospitals but they never hear it when a suit is thrown out because it wasn't the hospital or staffs fault. Private and local hospitals practice medicine as if they are going to be sued so lawers and insurance co. who are always on your back and don't forget the gov regs . The millions of people non VA hospitals take care of it is inevitable there will be mistakes. We are not gods but human ! When the same thing happens in the same place well you got a problem.
For those who live in other countries and don't like the service go home and wait on line for a year to get what you need.(sorry I had to say that)
I think most government operations are broke and need fixing but it won't happen until they have the guests the private system is under.
Nurses can only do so much and they become the scape goat for administration and doctors mistakes. We can be whistleblowers and patient advocates but when we go up the chain it can be months before we find out what happened. It used to be I could look up all info on my patients but thanks to hippa law I can only look at what the gov thinks I should know. Can't look and see what everyone is doing anymore.
He there are bad nurses too but did you ever try to get rid of someone who is incompetent and get hit with a harassment suit where they don't need evidence and you can't and are not allowed t provide any.

That's enough I'm ranting. lol .

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I note you say "you would be better served" rather than "we would be better served." Are you speaking of this issue from a veteran's perspective or an outsider's perspective?

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Old December 5th, 2016, 03:26 PM   #28
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Maybe the VA should specialize in combat related injuries and rehabilitation. Care of the aged, routine care and more serious non service related diseases should fall under Medicare.

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The CHOICE card system is a farce. I went to one of their doctors, DUFUS is the only word that comes to mind. He billed me instead of CHOICE and it three months to get it taken care of. Group Health and Blue Cross give you medical cards, why not just issue a medical card for the Veteran and let him go where it is accepted. Veterans hospitals are normally too far to travel to, and the parking is impossible when you get there. But, it is better than nothing at all.
Maybe a change is one the horizon there as well with our new POTUS.

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Old December 5th, 2016, 04:10 PM   #30
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Maybe the VA should specialize in combat related injuries and rehabilitation. Care of the aged, routine care and more serious non service related diseases should fall under Medicare.
Many Vietnam Vets have Diabetes and/or Cancers associated with Exposure to Agent Orange...which are recognized by Congress and the VA as 'presumptive' and therefore 'combat-ZONE' related...I really question how anyone is going to be able to clearly distinguish between Agent Orange Diabetes and Non-Agent Orange Diabetes when an individual was in fact exposed to A/O as 'Boots On The Ground' in Vietnam!
AND(again!)these same illnesses are inextricably tied to V.A. Disability Benefits(which are in fact reviewed on an annual basis)!

And, if some aren't aware of it...the VA does in fact have a multi-step(9+?)Priority System in place and Service-Connected medical issues do in fact have a much higher priority than Non-Service Connected medical issues...

What needs to be done is to FIX the VA system so that it works as designed---Not cobble together some hodge-podge Frankenstein system that would put essentially take away from Veterans the medical care they were promised and simply lump them into the same Medicare/Medicaid system...As Everyone Else!
Heck, why not just combine Medicare AND Medicaid?
Yes, We paid into the system for our Medicare...but what if there are 'cost-savings' by doing so !?



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