Thousands of California soldiers forced to repay enlistment bonuses a decade after going to war
This is a discussion on Thousands of California soldiers forced to repay enlistment bonuses a decade after going to war within the Veterans Affairs forums, part of the Armed Services category; Imo it should all fall on the recruiters. And possibly the higher ups in the CA National Guard if they knew about this or promoted ...
I can't believe the gall of these fools to begin with to even have the nerve to think to ask for it back.
We can't ask our service members to sacrifice, then pay a GIFT back. A bonus is just a little more to help make it right. This whole thing shatters the trust given to those responsible for asking for it back.
I hope they get a class action lawsuit going, I'm sure they all signed a contract with the bonus in it, if it does not say they have to give it back, I think they're home free. A contract is a contract and details are legally binding.
It's bull crap veterans have to even be assaulted with this. I'm sure many do not have the means to pay it back, in this economy.
So did the reinlisties in the other 49 states not get bonuses, are their lives worth less? I mean the government is only asking for money back from the guardsmen and guardswomen from California. Let's think about this.
Not necessary for government agencies - they simply act and if you don't agree, feel free to sue them.
Consider also the widespread use of civil asset forfeitures by LE agencies.
Civil judgment only needed for private citizens who want to recover from another private citizen.
Originally Posted by CAVman
One thing puzzles me in the story.
It says soldiers have been slapped with 'wage garnishments'.
Normally, a wage garnishment can't be done unless there is a Civil Suit resulting in a Civil Judgment, then...Wage Garnishment.
I would like to know if 'The State'?, 'The Feds'...actually filed suit against National Guardsmen in Court in California...and exactly what their specific claims were?
The story also talks about 'widespread fraud'...
It's not clear to me if that refers only to a claim that the Bonuses should not have been offered by 'recruiters', Or...that the Guardsmen who receiving certain Bonuses were in fact not qualified or entitled to the Bonuses?
All I am saying is that my reading of the story makes me wonder if at least in some cases...there is more to the story !?
The 'stop trying to collect' announcement only means that they'll stop trying to do active collection FOR NOW - it's not a 'everyone can keep the money' decision.
My guess is that the 'pause' is mostly politically motivated by congressmen who are getting a lot of heat about it at election time.
It seems clear that money was given to people BEFORE it was verified that they were eligible for it.
Seems the thought process was 'what could go wrong' - we have to give them the money NOW to 'set the re-enlist hook'.
It's a messy hot potato - should the govt just 'gift' the money to people who were not eligible'? Similar money troubles happen regulary with people taking ineligible tax deductions, welfare payments, etc.
So will they give back the money they collected? And what about the fraudsters do they get to keep the money.
No insult meant to those who were honestly duped.
NO!!! This is a temporary halt to debt collection while the DOD studies its options. These options will include less painful methods for the bonuses to be repaid.
There has been no mention of returning the money already fraudulently collected.
There is no mention of charges against the fraudsters within Cal Guard or within the DOD.
This isn't over yet.....will probably remain silent until after November 8.