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This is a discussion on Thousands of California soldiers forced to repay enlistment bonuses a decade after going to war within the Veterans Affairs forums, part of the Armed Services category; Originally Posted by CAVman One thing puzzles me in the story. It says soldiers have been slapped with 'wage garnishments'. Normally, a wage garnishment can't ...


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Old October 23rd, 2016, 12:20 PM   #16
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One thing puzzles me in the story.
It says soldiers have been slapped with 'wage garnishments'.
Normally, a wage garnishment can't be done unless there is a Civil Suit resulting in a Civil Judgment, then...Wage Garnishment.
I would like to know if 'The State'?, 'The Feds'...actually filed suit against National Guardsmen in Court in California...and exactly what their specific claims were?
The story also talks about 'widespread fraud'...
It's not clear to me if that refers only to a claim that the Bonuses should not have been offered by 'recruiters', Or...that the Guardsmen who receiving certain Bonuses were in fact not qualified or entitled to the Bonuses?

All I am saying is that my reading of the story makes me wonder if at least in some cases...there is more to the story !?

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So far, the guard has recovered more than $22 million from overpaid soldiers.
The problem came to light in 2010, after federal officials launched an investigation into reports of improper bonus. Last month, auditors hired by the California Guard wrapped up their work reviewing the enlistment bonuses given to 14,000 soldiers in the mid-2000s.
In 2011, amid the investigation, the California Guard’s incentive manager Army Master Sgt. Toni Jaffe pleaded guilty to filing false claims for handing out more than $15 million in bonuses to ineligible soldiers. She is serving a 30-month prison sentence.
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Old October 23rd, 2016, 02:06 PM   #18
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Could these soldiers file for bankruptcy to stop the payment process? Is there no appeals process? Clearly there isn't any honor in making the honorable pay more than what they already paid.

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Even with all of America's economic issues, lack of growth, etc., etc., if the soldier went to the battlefield, gave honorable service, then surely our Country is capable of simply making the so called debt go away. We don't seem to have any problem with granting many billions of dollars to a Nation sworn to destroy us if they can do we?? I would venture to say that in the future we may well need to entice other members of the military to "jump into the fight" and there may not be anyone step forward to do so regardless of the bonuses.

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It costs about $200,000 per hour for Air Force one to take the prez to play golf. But, I guess that's money well spent, right?
Exactly!
On the surface at least this appears to be just another stick in the eye of our service men and women by this administration.

Why aren't the California National Guard officials responsible for this in the 1st place being ask to cough up the money?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100903433.html
A link to an article about the lady who was the center of give away. The affair might be a little different than just Shanghaiing unsuspecting soldiers. Interesting comment that funds intended for regular army combat veterans were re-distributed.

"Most student-loan repayments, the documents show, were drawn from money designated for combat veterans. Yet a large portion of those funds went to Guard members who hadn't served a day at war. Captains and majors were among those whom auditors think benefited improperly."

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"According to a review of Guard documents, the officers who benefited from the highest payments that auditors concluded were improper included:

_ Capt. Bruce Corum, a Santa Cruz-area chiropractor who joined the Guard in 2002, received $83,000 over one seven-week period in 2008. That included $63,000 — well above the $10,000 limit for the Guard program — for student loans taken out too long ago to qualify for repayment.

As an officer commissioned before Oct. 28, 2004, by law Corum also was ineligible for the program. Jaffe added a $20,000 bonus for which Corum also was unqualified because he lacked the required job skills. Corum told The Bee that he couldn't recall how he obtained the benefits.

_ Capt. Teressa Vaughn, a licensed cosmetologist and a resident of Los Angeles County, received student loan repayments of $51,800 plagued by similar problems — overpayments, loans too old to qualify and officer commission date. She also got a $30,000 bonus for which she was ineligible because she lacked proper job experience.

Vaughn, a chaplain candidate, has worked as a recruiter, meaning that she was obliged to know the incentives program rules that Guard documents show were violated in her case. Vaughn said she wasn't authorized to comment.

_ The Guard repaid $51,000 in student loans for another recruiter who holds a top-secret clearance, Capt. Robert Couture of Hermosa Beach, near Los Angeles. The contract required under military regulations to certify eligibility wasn't on file, Couture received more than the maximum benefit allowed, and he didn't qualify for the windfall due to his rank. Keegan, the Guard spokesman, said Couture couldn't comment."

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I have always felt strongly about our youth enlisting in the armed forces
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This article needs to be etched in the glass of every recruiter store front

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I plead guilty in advance to not reading any of the linked articles.

Can someone tell us in 200 words or less what was going on with Master Sargent Toni Jaffre? Was she colluding with the people who improperly got the bonuses? Was she giving away the government's money( i.e. our taxpayer dollars) to people she didn't even know, or what?

Inquiring minds want to know.

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Evil, she was convicted and sent to federal prison for 2.5 years. I'm sympathetic to the many soldiers who were duped into reenlisment. However if you read the links it looks like she was doing costly favors for friends she knew. I wonder if some of that money that was paid back to the govt. was under the "knew or should have known" condition with regards to the fraud. Colluding is a pretty good term for it. In one of the articles it said that some of the recruiters personally benefited. I don't know exactly what that means.

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Normally, a wage garnishment can't be done unless there is a Civil Suit resulting in a Civil Judgment, then...Wage Garnishment.
In CA, the DMV now can just send you a demand letter claiming you you them whatever they say. If you don't pay, they garnish your wages now, no court or anything. I have seen it happen to a fellow employee. I imagine bigger gov't can do the same or worse now.
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In CA, the DMV now can just send you a demand letter claiming you you them whatever they say. If you don't pay, they garnish your wages now, no court or anything. I have seen it happen to a fellow employee. I imagine bigger gov't can do the same or worse now.
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I now have read about that in CA and see you are correct!

I do think that's part of the problem...when any 'Creditor' can do that...it makes it just that much harder to fight it when you are already out the money!

This whole story is not new(going back to at least 2010)but suddenly it is getting National Attention...I just watched it on CNN News...they said some Congressmen intend to address it in January.
But it's gonna be a mess...
Some have already paid it.
And Perhaps...some might not have been entitled to at least some of the multiple types of bonuses awarded them...
But some do seem to be victims of 'the fine print', and long-after-the-fact Federal Auditing of the way the California National Guard handed out the bonuses...
I have seen those kind of Federal Audits myself in my past employment...and when The Feds do a Doo-Doo Dump on a State, the State instead of fighting the audit, or attempting to negotiate something more 'fair'---the State just turns around and does the same kind of Doo-Doo Dump on those further down the totem pole!
As it appears clear that was in fact Criminal Fraud involved in the CA Nat. Guard Bureau...I think the bulk of the blame lies right there in CA. State Gov't where there obviously was a really bad lack of oversight!

Bottom Line---A lot of Veterans Got Royally Screwed Over!
I hope at least some of them can get some Justice when the dust clears!

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they should all band together,start a corporation like basic countries do,declare their countries is a subsidiary of mexico,declare war on the us,surrrender requesting federal aid to rebuild,free medical,housing etc

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