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Old December 29th, 2016, 12:34 PM   #1
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Parkerized Metal and Bedding Release?

Hello all! Merry Christmas and A Happy (and hopefully better) New Year!
I am rapidly approaching the point in a build where I need to prep.the barreled action and wood stock for bedding. This is my first bedding attempt and I have been looking for a release agent that will not stick to or destroy my parkerized rifle's finish. I also do not want to damage my M40 reproduction stock that I am bedding the rifle to. I do not mind cleaning but I am looking for something that will leave zero residue when cleaning up after epoxy cure time. Also very important is I do not want to epoxy my rifle to the stock. I am using Devcon epoxy if this is a factor in choosing a release material.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 01:21 PM   #2
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Hello all! Marry Christmas and A Happy (and hopefully better) New Year!
I am rapidly approaching the point in a build where I need to prep.the barreled action and wood stock for bedding. This is my first bedding attempt and I have been looking for a release agent that will not stick to or destroy my parkerized rifle's finish. I also do not want to damage my M40 reproduction stock that I am bedding the rifle to. I do not mind cleaning but I am looking for something that will leave zero residue when cleaning up after epoxy cure time. Also very important is I do not want to epoxy my rifle to the stock. I am using Devcon epoxy if this is a factor in choosing a release material.
Thanks in advance for any guidance you can offer.
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Kiwi neutral shoe polish works great with devcon. Just be sure to rub in a few coats to get good coverage. Cleans up easily as well.

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Old December 30th, 2016, 07:53 AM   #4
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Also, for any area where you do want to leave a small gap, regular waxed paper works fine.

Trying to maintain the wood stock in pristine condition can be difficult.
I'd use lots of 'blue painter tape' to mask everything that shouldn't be in contact with epoxy. And have lots of wooden toothpicks and popsicle sticks for removing the 'squeeze-out' epoxy. Also plenty of paper towels and rubbing alcohol. It WILL get messy - so have everything ready.

And yes, you'll probably get epoxy on your fingers and hands, so be careful what you touch.

When mixing the epoxy, I'd rather have a fairly 'stiff mix' than too runny.

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Thanks for the tips guys. I have read on a bunch of different sites about Kiwi Neutral polish. As with just about everything on the web there are differing opinions with regard to what works. Drives me crazy sometimes.
I am using a Taylor stock for this build and I most definitely plan on masking and protecting that puppy. I know I should have done the bedding prior to getting the metal finished but at the time I was having the barrel cut I did not plan to be using a wood stock. Things kind of fell into place and finding the Taylor's work sealed the fate for this rifle. I know what a sloppy mess epoxy can be. I work with it almost daily. I work for a company that builds titanium sapphire lasers and we use a lot of epoxy for optics mounts and mirror mounting.
Assuming I run with Kiwi polish what sort of solvent should be used for removal? Should I leave the barreled action dry or will wiping some oil on it help the Kiwi polish from bonding too well.
Finally, modeling clay or silly putty for blocking off non-bedded areas?
Thanks for the input!
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Thanks for the tips guys. I have read on a bunch of different sites about Kiwi Neutral polish. As with just about everything on the web there are differing opinions with regard to what works. Drives me crazy sometimes.
I am using a Taylor stock for this build and I most definitely plan on masking and protecting that puppy. I know I should have done the bedding prior to getting the metal finished but at the time I was having the barrel cut I did not plan to be using a wood stock. Things kind of fell into place and finding the Taylor's work sealed the fate for this rifle. I know what a sloppy mess epoxy can be. I work with it almost daily. I work for a company that builds titanium sapphire lasers and we use a lot of epoxy for optics mounts and mirror mounting.
Assuming I run with Kiwi polish what sort of solvent should be used for removal? Should I leave the barreled action dry or will wiping some oil on it help the Kiwi polish from bonding too well.
Finally, modeling clay or silly putty for blocking off non-bedded areas?
Thanks for the input!
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I've used just denatured alcohol to remove any shoe polish with no problems. I've never tried to use silly putty I've only used modeling clay. I never oiled up the steel either, just cleaned everything very well with alcohol and rubbed in a few coats of polish. You want to keep the release agent as thin as possible to give you a tight mating surface. The devcon is going to shrink over time as it is. Sound like you know what your in for so jump in and do it! Best of luck and take your time in the prep work!

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If you don't have access to modeling clay, I suggest using the grey 'electrical putty' that's used to seal around plumbing and electrical penetrations in the side of a building.

It's sold in Home Depot (and other such stores) in the electrical fitting area - it comes in a very plain 1 pound block and is hard to spot on the shelves unless you know what to look for!

It is also useful for non-pressurized water leaks. It's worth buying some just to have it around in case you need it!

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Thanks Gentleman! I'm glad to hear denatured alky works well for pulling off the shoe polish. That's a relief. I had found the mention of Silly Putty when doing a search a few nights ago on another site. Everyone seems to have their favorite little tricks. I'll probably just get clay when I go into town for the Kiwi. I was thinking today as I was putting up a north facing storm door (when we get storms from the north they come straight from Wyoming, about 45 minutes away, and they are cold and howl!) I have a couple of .22 bolt actions that could benefit from bedding work. I am excited to get the Remington finished but I may just bed one of the .22's and check my work.
Please keep the advice coming guys!
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Thanks Gentleman! I'm glad to hear denatured alky works well for pulling off the shoe polish. That's a relief. I had found the mention of Silly Putty when doing a search a few nights ago on another site. Everyone seems to have their favorite little tricks. I'll probably just get clay when I go into town for the Kiwi. I was thinking today as I was putting up a north facing storm door (when we get storms from the north they come straight from Wyoming, about 45 minutes away, and they are cold and howl!) I have a couple of .22 bolt actions that could benefit from bedding work. I am excited to get the Remington finished but I may just bed one of the .22's and check my work.
Please keep the advice coming guys!
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Sure... blame the weather on WY.

Kiwi shoe polish is a very good release agent, and WD40 on qtips works to wipe away excess squeeze out. I use modeling clay to fill in large areas. Tape off everything you can even fathom getting bedding compound on, it will get everywhere. Also wear clothing you don't mind getting permanently messed up. I prefer Accraglas gel for bedding compound. Almost no shrinkage, and it doesn't run.

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We mix a pulverized silica powder called Cab-o-sil with thin viscosity epoxy to prevent shrinkage.

And since Parkerizing is abrasive and porous , rubbing with a hard wax candle should work as a release agent.


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Sure... blame the weather on WY.

Kiwi shoe polish is a very good release agent, and WD40 on qtips works to wipe away excess squeeze out. I use modeling clay to fill in large areas. Tape off everything you can even fathom getting bedding compound on, it will get everywhere. Also wear clothing you don't mind getting permanently messed up. I prefer Accraglas gel for bedding compound. Almost no shrinkage, and it doesn't run.
Ha, sorry J.M.!
I meant the cold weather from up north somewhere.
Actually, I love nasty storms and get excited for northern storms as I get to play with my Kubota tractor. My favorite "Tonka" toy.
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