3rd is working out good. I'll check out the pics. I have a NM sight on a Garand. It's been a while since I shot it, so I can't remember how big a difference it was. Took that HRA Garand out Monday, it shoots real good. Took 1 clip to dial it in. The 1st shot on the 2nd clip was in the 7 ring @ 7 o'clock, then 4 in the 10 ring and 3 Xs. Not bad for a 57 yr old rifle and a 56 yr old shooter, eh?