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Old March 18th, 2016, 01:08 PM   #1
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M1A NM, Oversized Stock, Why?

Why does the M1A NM from Springfield come with an oversized stock? Why not the same stock the Standard or the Loaded has? Just curious

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Old March 18th, 2016, 01:13 PM   #2
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I could only guess maybe better stability??

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The national match walnut stock isn't any different than the loaded's walnut stock... except that it's bedded.

Now the super match.... that's a whole different story.

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The national match walnut stock isn't any different than the loaded's walnut stock... except that it's bedded.

Now the super match.... that's a whole different story.
I beg to differ. The NM has a VERY different oversized stock. Around the Butt Plate there is at least as much as 1/4 inch of wood extra around it and the grip is fatter.

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Old March 18th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #5
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Ok...but the new in box NM and Loaded that I recently purchase (2013) had the same stock dimensions.... perhaps it was just my rifles.

(serials 302xxx and 311xxx)

Now assuming my rifles are an anomaly and you are correct where the beefiness is concerned , the reason for the difference is that the National Match and Super Match models are build for competitive shooting and as such, a beefier stock will flex less thus allowing for more theoretical accuracy.

The loaded model is a compromise between the NM and standard model... heavier (medium wt) barrel, match tuned trigger, 1/2 minute windage sights.... but no bedding, no unitized gas system, no hooded peep sight with 1/2 minute elevation adjustment.... and again if you are correct about the dimension of SAI's current offerings, a lighter stock.


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Would somebody please post a pic or pics similar to these of your SA Standard or Loaded stocks for comparison, Please
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Old March 18th, 2016, 02:58 PM   #7
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Larger stocks were used when they double lugged the receivers. Had the extra wood where needed.

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Reduced flex when using a sling.

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SAI never made double lugged guns,I have seen 3 different dimensions on SAI rifles,the standard stock,then the NM stock which is like yours,a little beefier in the forearm around the pistol grip and back of heel and but stock areas,then the Supermatch,these are all in Walnut,then you also have the Mcmillan Fiberglass stock also used on the Supermatch.

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SAI never made double lugged guns,I have seen 3 different dimensions on SAI rifles,the standard stock,then the NM stock which is like yours,a little beefier in the forearm around the pistol grip and back of heel and but stock areas,then the Supermatch,these are all in Walnut,then you also have the Mcmillan Fiberglass stock also used on the Supermatch.
I guess the question is... do loaded models come with the standard profile (similar to GI) or the thicker NM type profile. I don't have my loaded or NM models any longer as I recently sold the NM and sold the loaded at the time I bought the NM, but I don't remember the stocks feeling any different in my hand... I am almost positive that they were the same profile Boyd's stock... the NM was simply bedded whereas the Loaded's wasn't.

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I guess the question is... do loaded models come with the standard profile (similar to GI) or the thicker NM type profile. I don't have my loaded or NM models any longer as I recently sold the NM and sold the loaded at the time I bought the NM, but I don't remember the stocks feeling any different in my hand... I am almost positive that they were the same profile Boyd's stock... the NM was simply bedded whereas the Loaded's wasn't.
SAI uses the same wood stock for the Standard, Scout and National Match models. It is "oversized" when compared to the original M14 stock.

SAI uses an even larger one for the Super Match. The most noticeable difference is the closed grip. It looks and feels like a railroad tie.

While SAI has always used oversized stocks, the actual profile has varied between the different suppliers. An oversized stock from 1996 will be different from an oversized stock from 2016.

Boyds's is the current supplier. They offer a "GI profile" stock factory direct and thru Fultom Armory. It is identical to the medium weight "oversized" stock except for being more shallow in the belly. The grip and forend are the same.

The main reason for the oversized stock is threefold:

1. More wood to allow for bedding.
2. A sturdy forend to control barrel vibration and whip.
3. Less flex when slinging up tight.

The original USGI stock was pretty crappy in all these regards. The Big Red was an improvement, while the epoxy impregnated version was best.

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SAI uses the same wood stock for the Standard, Scout and National Match models. It is "oversized" when compared to the original M14 stock.

SAI uses an even larger one for the Super Match. The most noticeable difference is the closed grip. It looks and feels like a railroad tie.

While SAI has always used oversized stocks, the actual profile has varied between the different suppliers. An oversized stock from 1996 will be different from an oversized stock from 2016.

Boyds's is the current supplier. They offer a "GI profile" stock factory direct and thru Fultom Armory. It is identical to the medium weight "oversized" stock except for being more shallow in the belly. The grip and forend are the same.

The main reason for the oversized stock is threefold:

1. More wood to allow for bedding.
2. A sturdy forend to control barrel vibration and whip.
3. Less flex when slinging up tight.

The original USGI stock was pretty crappy in all these regards. The Big Red was an improvement, while the epoxy impregnated version was best.
Glad to know I'm not crazy... I could have sworn they were essentially the same.

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Would somebody please post a pic or pics similar to these of your SA Standard or Loaded stocks for comparison, Please.
I could post pics of the stock on my #107XXX Loaded, but it looks just like yours anyways. It's also identical to the stocks I've handled on Standards and it does not match the contours of the visually slimmer USGI stocks.

I always intended to get a standard "lightweight" Boyds stock that more closely matched the USGI profile, but until my stock gives up its draw pressure or lock up (both of which are still very good), it's staying. I've been staring at that woodgrain for so long (unremarkable except for being very straight) I'll probably never get rid of it even when I stop using it.

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The main reason for the oversized stock is threefold:

1. More wood to allow for bedding.
2. A sturdy forend to control barrel vibration and whip.
3. Less flex when slinging up tight.
I agree with this but would add the additional weight is a positive factor.

Mostly in reduction of felt recoil/faster recovery in rapid fire. Helps stability in offhand as well.

Inertia can be a good thing.

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How does the McMillan m1a stock compare to the NM or SM wood stocks? That's what I've got ordered for my M25 build.

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