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Old March 25th, 2011, 10:35 PM   #1
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M1 Garand, vs the M14/M1-A for Civilian Use

Not wanting to Hi jack another thread on this forum, I thought I would offer some thoughts on this subject...
Other Forum Members thoughts are most welcome.
I have shot both of these rifles a fair amount over several years.
I have used them for Service Rifle Competition, Hunting, as a Utility/traveling protection rifle, and for fun shooting.
I have used the Garand in 30/06 as well as 308, and I have used both of them in their short barreled versions as well.

So here goes my thoughts, on the "matter"...

Reliability:
I have not found ANY difference in reliability between the two.

Power of the 30/06 vs the 308...
With Military Ball ammo, I consider them equal, same for commercial ammo. The M14/M1-A does handle Commercial 308 ammo better than the 30/06 Garand does.
The 308 Garand seems to handle Commercial ammo just fine.

Accuracy:
I have not found one to be more accurate than the other.
This is comparing standard rifles to standard rifles and Match conditioned rifles to Match Conditioned Rifles.

Optical Sights:
The advantage goes to the M14/M1-A, as it is much easier to attach an optical sight to it. That being said, I do have a Tanker Garand with a Scout Scope.

Detachable Magazines vs En Block Clips.
For the Garand you can get 2 round, 5 round, and 8 round clips.
For the M14/M1-A you can get 5 round, 10 round, 15 round, [for the states that require them], 20 round and 25 round.

No doubt there is a fighting Tactical Advantage, for a rifle with a 20 round magazine vs a rifle with 8 rounds.
Advantage here for the M14/M1-A.

But think about this, how many loaded 20 round magazines do you have/carry. The more the better, but the cost must be considered.

It is not beyond the realm of possibility, that ALL of the 30/06, or 308 Garand ammo you have on hand could ALREADY be loaded in 8 round clips...

So in a short term gunfight I would give the advantage to the M14/M1-A, but in a long term situation the 8round clips of the Garand ust might be an advantage...

If you loose a few [or a bunch] of M14 magazines along the way it could become a problem.
With ALL your Garand ammo in the 8round clips, "no problemo".

Money Spent...
Here is where the 30/06 Garand shows its biggest advantage.
You can get @3 good M1 Garands from the CMP for what one standard M1-A costs.
And you can get a BUNCH of ammo, already in 8 round clips, much cheaper than you can get 308 ammo and M14 Magazines...

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Old March 25th, 2011, 10:46 PM   #2
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Well what does it ALL mean???

Everything considered, the M14/M1-A is probably a better overall choice, if a fella can afford the extra money for the rifle, and a bunch of magazines.
The ability to easily mount a scope or a red dot is a good thing...

So where does the 30/06 Garand fit in???
Well for a "Hard Head", if that is what he likes, then I feel it will serve him well. I have carried my Tanker as a Road/Utility Rifle when traveling when I knew I was going to Kalifornia, and I did not feel "under gunned".

Also for a fella on a budget, and right now who is not???
A Garand and some ammo from the CMP is a great buy.
It is the best buy for a serviceable Utility/Protection Rifle on the Planet. And as far as I know it is legal in all 50 States. Somebody correct me if I am wrong...

Even if you are "flush with cash" the 30/06 Garand from the CMP makes a great buy for spare or stash rifles.

Every American Citizen should have at least one CMP Garand.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 12:44 AM   #3
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Old March 26th, 2011, 02:47 AM   #4
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My 2 cents. If you are considering the two for target shooting, hunting etc., then it is a reasonable argument. If comparing the M-1 to the M14/M1A for modern SHTF or the Apocalypse, then that is a no brainer. 20 beats 8 any day. I own both as do many of you. The M-1 is my deer gun. The EBR M-14 is my SHTF gun. I'll leave the M-4 in the gunsafe.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 04:02 AM   #5
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I first shot an M14 in 1976 and I fell in love with the rifle. I bought my M1A a couple of years later and used it for many years for target practice, hunting, etc.

Almost 5 years ago I bought my first M1 Garand from the CMP. Then I bought two more, then....never mind. Many of us are in that boat.

All I can say is that once I put that Ameage Ranges mount and pistol scope on my M1 Garand the M1A has only been out of the case for annual inspection/cleaning/oiling up.

That M1 Garand just FITS ME like no other rifle I've ever handled or shot. It goes with me on every road trip now. One M1 Garand, one GI ammo belt, 4 bandoleers and two GI M14 double magazine pouches (they hold 7 clips each).

With an M1 Garand, properly set up, and a 1911 Colt what else might you need?

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Old March 26th, 2011, 06:41 AM   #6
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I love my M1s, but hate, HATE loading them. The cheap aspect of enblocs will never outweigh the relative pain to load them into the Garand.

Keep in mind I am a civi, who never had the opportunity to have M1 loading drilled into my second-nature. Loading a magazine (with no threat of G-thumb) is infinitely more user-friendly (to me) and would be easier to do (for me) under pressure.

Surplus '06 is a hell of a lot cheaper, but hopefully someday 7.62 surp will come down.

edit: Now, choosing to grab the 20 round scoped M25 versus the 30 round scoped m4gery... THAT for me would be a tougher decision. If the rifles and ammo were weightless, I would run out of the house with the M25, M4gery, 870 and glock.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 08:15 AM   #7
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Whatever fits you the best is what you should buy. I fell in love with the M14 during basic in 1968 so it has been a 40 year love affair. I have never shot the M1 Garand and will at some point but........

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Old March 26th, 2011, 08:51 AM   #8
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You neglected to consider the use of stripper clips for the M14/M1A. Bandoleers/ammo belts of stripper loaded ammo, and carry only two extra 20 rounds magazines loaded. Cost effective and change out with the SC guide on the M14/M1A is fast and simple, barring any scope use.

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I wouldnt feel under armed if I had either and a few bandoleers of ammo. The M1 does seem a little bit tougher to me, but Id much rather have either one over a nasty dirty AR platform. M1/M14s seem to be alot easier to clean and just as easy to field strip. I love them both, but if money was an issue, the easy choice would be a M1 Garand.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #10
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I wouldnt feel under armed if I had either and a few bandoleers of ammo. The M1 does seem a little bit tougher to me, but Id much rather have either one over a nasty dirty AR platform. M1/M14s seem to be alot easier to clean and just as easy to field strip. I love them both, but if money was an issue, the easy choice would be a M1 Garand.
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+ The Garand's proven hardiness to h*!! and back and there again.
It ought to be an ought six.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 12:25 PM   #11
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You neglected to consider the use of stripper clips for the M14/M1A.
That's a really good point.

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+ The Garand's proven hardiness to h*!! and back and there again.
It ought to be an ought six.
[TIMG]http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss80/stokys/IMG_0115.jpg[/TIMG]
Is your sling twisted on the M14, or are my eyes buggered?

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Old March 26th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #13
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Half twist for "hasty sling" support.
I should have included a magazine in the photo.

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Old March 26th, 2011, 01:01 PM   #14
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i love and own each but being in Hawaii a non class 3 state and not having 20k to blow on a transferable/original m14 id have to say the M1 is my favorite cuz i know im punching out ammo with something that past family may have has their hands on (bit of a history buff) instead of a m1a brand spankin new...plus there just isnt anything that comes close to that ping that tells ya ur m1 is hungry for more

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and will be fed and back to bang way quicker than if you had to fool around with empty and full magazines.

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