M14 Forum

NE450N02 · March 17th, 2011, 07:34 PM

Tonight on the Tactical Arms RV show Larry Vickers did a comparison between the M1 Garand, the Mauser 98 and the M1 Carbine.

Pretty good info.
He did have an awsome looking Garand...

BLACKTAIL 8541 · March 18th, 2011, 08:01 AM

How about a synopsis of his show.

1KPerDay · March 18th, 2011, 08:09 AM

It was a repeat, and a great show.

They determined the garand was by far the best battle rifle of WWII, particularly compared to the K98K. Did side-by-side shooting drills and the Garand won handily in accuracy, speed, and ammo capacity.

Larry was able to hit 5 of 8 shots on a MGM upper torso target from 500+ yards from kneeling position, which he said would be "a joke" with an M4.

They also determined the oft-repeated myth of the "ping" being audible in a firefight and a detriment was false. They did tests at varying distances, reloading at different intervals in the 8-round sequence, and, though you could hear the action closing during a reload at the closer distances, the guy downrange couldn't hear the ping.

I didn't see the M1 Carbine section this time.

NE450N02 · March 18th, 2011, 02:06 PM

In the M1 Garand M1 Carbine section they shot both rifles at 100 yards. 10 rounds each, both with a reload.
Ken Hackathorn and Vickers both stated they would want the M1 Garand as a fighting rifle in WWII.

GDavis · March 18th, 2011, 08:29 PM

Like everything else, IMHO it would depend upon the situation. I'd rather have my M1 Carbine for home protection than the M1 Garand.

I have both and like both, but just as they were designed, they fit different roles.

As I’ve said many times (to the point some may be tired of seeing it): “They will find me dead in front of my gun safes killed while trying to decide which gun would be best for the present situation.”

Tommo · March 30th, 2011, 02:07 AM

Definitely think the M1 Garand is the far superior rifle and everything I have read from the Veterans of WWII confirms it. Favorite weapons of the GI's were the M1 Garand and BAR hands down!

Larry must be shooting his M4 too much. I noticed that match shooters rated as Masters and High Masters shooting the AR15 had a hard time trying to shoot the M1A and M1 Garand. Their scores would drop 50 points or more shooting the more powerful rifles. The light recoil of the AR lets them get away with some sloppy shooting techniques.

Found this out myself a couple summers ago when I decided to conserve my .308 and .30-06 ammo. Spent the summer shooting my Mini-14 in .223 and AK74 in 5.45X39. In the Fall I just had to shoot a real rifle and brought out my M1 Garand. Took a few range sessions to get used to shooting it again after the time I spent shooting the 22's!

ATX762 · April 11th, 2011, 08:32 PM

Yeah you think about running up against a couple dudes with Garands when you had a bolt action rifle....ouch.

As for hits at 500 yards, just ran the old ballistic calculator, looks like 2/3 the bullet drop and 1/2 of the wind drift for 150 gr 30-06 vs 62 gr 5.56. Had not thought it would be that big a difference--advantage 30-06...

captain_bob_badfish · April 12th, 2011, 12:52 AM

For when the camels come over the hill and I had my choice of those three, I would choose the Garand in a heartbeat. For close quarters the carbine would be my first choice.

luigi · April 12th, 2011, 05:46 PM

I like the "tactical arms" show. I like Larry Vickers no BS comments. I would have to keep the M1 garand for the "reach out and touch" factor.
I don't know if it is me or the rifle but I can hit beans with my carbine? The carbine is fun to shoot and is more accurate than the 1911!

Boom Stick · April 12th, 2011, 06:07 PM

I love the Garand. Never touched an m1 carbine and really am indifferent to it as a weapon. I have a mauser k98 and it is a shooter. Has a timney trigger and a lyman receiver sight on it. There is a reason the Germans were able to conquer half of the world: the K98.

8x57 mauser round loaded with a 200 grain sierra match king hpbt is a show stopper.

Bought my mauser for 100 bucks all matching serial #'s in beautiful shape. a century arms import. Same guy was selling two mosin nagants and actually wanted more for them because they had bayonets! Almost felt bad taking it off of his hands.

Sustinemus · April 12th, 2011, 07:14 PM

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Never touched an m1 carbine and really am indifferent

Shoot one a few times and you won't be indifferent any more.

Cardnel · April 12th, 2011, 07:45 PM

What is the over all thoughts about the mosin nagants. I bought one with bayonet for 100.00

Boom Stick · April 12th, 2011, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sustinemus

Shoot one a few times and you won't be indifferent any more.

I'm afraid to shoot one. I might end up wanting one.

lefty o · April 12th, 2011, 07:50 PM

well cant really compare any of the 3, the garand and carbine arent in the same class of weapon, and the garand and K98 were employed differently. the US at the time backed up the infantry (M1) with machine guns, while the germans used the k98 to back up the MG42. the MG42 was the germans main infantry weapon.

Whatsinaname181 · April 12th, 2011, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lefty o

well cant really compare any of the 3, the garand and carbine arent in the same class of weapon, and the garand and K98 were employed differently. the US at the time backed up the infantry (M1) with machine guns, while the germans used the k98 to back up the MG42. the MG42 was the germans main infantry weapon.

Absolutly, the entire rifle squad was built around the MG34/42. Everything supports the MG. You imagine coming under effective fires from that damn thing?