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Old April 18th, 2007, 05:36 AM   #1
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Inland & IBM Questions

Recently saw an Inland receiver with an Inland barrel and a IBM receiver with a IBM barrel......How many actually were manufactured in those configurations.

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Old April 18th, 2007, 04:03 PM   #2
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Both Inland and IBM made barrels for their own use and for use by other manufacturers. They did not use barrels from other manufacturers.

If you see an Inland, Rock-Ola, Winchester or Underwood with a different manufacturer's barrel on it then it has been rebarreled at some point.

There may (or may not) be a few original Winchesters with Underwood barrels as Winchester got a bunch of parts from them when Underwood shut down production. I would be really leery of a Winchester with an Underwood barrel though.

Saginaw SG made their own barrels for the most part, but they did use barrels from other manufacturers from time to time.

Quality Hardware, Irwin Pedersen, Saginaw S'G', National Postal Meter and Standard Products did not manufacture barrels, and used barrels obtained from the manufacturers that did. They also used barrels made by Marlin and Buffalo Arms.

There were so many carbine prime contractors and they had so many sub contractors that you really need reference books to get a handle on who used what. I'd recommend War Baby! by Larry Ruth and US M1 Carbines Wartime Production 5th Ed. by Craig Riesch.

Edit: The information posted by m14reajoh is a common misconception held by those that have not spent much time with M1 Carbines. While there were parts transfers to keep production running, the vast majority of carbines manufactured by each prime contractor were completely comprised up of parts made by that contractor or by one of their sub-contractors. Unlike M1s, virtually all carbine parts had a manufacturer stamp on them and if you know what the various markings mean you can easily determine the "correctness" of a carbine.


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Old April 18th, 2007, 05:27 PM   #3
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I have an IBM and everything else on the Weapon is IBM including the Stock!

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Old April 19th, 2007, 01:49 PM   #4
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Both Inland and IBM made barrels for their own use and for use by other manufacturers. They did not use barrels from other manufacturers.

I'd recommend....US M1 Carbines Wartime Production 5th Ed. by Craig Riesch.
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Thanks for the info.....I have Riesch's 3rd Edition and in that edition he illustrates the IBM Receivers were marked..........I.B.M. CORP.

The manufacturer's marking on the IBM receiver I have seen was marked.......
ITNL BUS MACHINE, serial # 3911***.
did IBM provide different manufacturer markings on their receivers.

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No, I don't think any were ever marked ITNL BUS MACHINE.

Sounds like either someone restamped the receiver or it's a commercial receiver.

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No, I don't think any were ever marked ITNL BUS MACHINE.
Do you know of any reference sources that may explain the various manufacturer's markings on the IBM Receiver.
This piece was purchased throught the DCM in the early 60s. DCM papers are avaialble for verification.

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Both Inland and IBM made barrels for their own use and for use by other manufacturers. They did not use barrels from other manufacturers.

If you see an Inland, Rock-Ola, Winchester or Underwood with a different manufacturer's barrel on it then it has been rebarreled at some point.

There may (or may not) be a few original Winchesters with Underwood barrels as Winchester got a bunch of parts from them when Underwood shut down production. I would be really leery of a Winchester with an Underwood barrel though.

Saginaw SG made their own barrels for the most part, but they did use barrels from other manufacturers from time to time.

Quality Hardware, Irwin Pedersen, Saginaw S'G', National Postal Meter and Standard Products did not manufacture barrels, and used barrels obtained from the manufacturers that did. They also used barrels made by Marlin and Buffalo Arms.

There were so many carbine prime contractors and they had so many sub contractors that you really need reference books to get a handle on who used what. I'd recommend War Baby! by Larry Ruth and US M1 Carbines Wartime Production 5th Ed. by Craig Riesch.

Edit: The information posted by m14reajoh is a common misconception held by those that have not spent much time with M1 Carbines. While there were parts transfers to keep production running, the vast majority of carbines manufactured by each prime contractor were completely comprised up of parts made by that contractor or by one of their sub-contractors. Unlike M1s, virtually all carbine parts had a manufacturer stamp on them and if you know what the various markings mean you can easily determine the "correctness" of a carbine.

Quagmire, thanks for setting me srtaight on carbine information.

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