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Old April 17th, 2017, 10:18 AM   #1
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Question about Military M1 Carbine

Perhaps a dumb question, perhaps not......

For the military, and in war, was the M1 Carbine a Select Fire Weapon?

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Old April 17th, 2017, 10:26 AM   #2
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The M1 carbine was a semi-auto firearm.

The M2 carbine was selective fire.

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Perhaps a dumb question, perhaps not......

For the military, and in war, was the M1 Carbine a Select Fire Weapon?
Not initially, the M1 carbine was semi auto. The M2 carbine was basically an M1 with a few extra parts to make it select fire.

There were kits issued to upgrade an M1 into and M2

The changeover was late in Ww2 but only a few select fire carbines made it to the field.

Not all the M1 carbines got upgraded ether.

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Mark, a little trivia for you. The carbine round has .357 mag energy at 100 yards and about .38 special energy at 200. Got this comparing Winchester ammo table.

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Mark, a little trivia for you. The carbine round has .357 mag energy at 100 yards and about .38 special energy at 200. Got this comparing Winchester ammo table.

From what I've heard , very few enemy read how much power it had.

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Mark, a little trivia for you. The carbine round has .357 mag energy at 100 yards and about .38 special energy at 200. Got this comparing Winchester ammo table.
And intended for support personnel because they could not hit a barn door with a 1911. Yes diehards love the 1911 but many recruits (inexperienced shooters and probably short term enlistment) could not qualify easily with 1911, Also supposedly why the Beretta 9mm was adopted although a weaker round but easier to qualify with.

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Believe the M2 saw a fair amount of use in Korea. My boy and I were blasting concrete blocks one day. We had a .44 mag with lead bullets at full speed and an M1 with factory ball ammo. The M1 quickly blew the blocks into little chunks and the .44 just kind of worked around the edges. It was impressive.

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And intended for support personnel because they could not hit a barn door with a 1911. Yes diehards love the 1911 but many recruits (inexperienced shooters and probably short term enlistment) could not qualify easily with 1911, Also supposedly why the Beretta 9mm was adopted although a weaker round but easier to qualify with.
It's easier to teach a novice to shoot a rifle adequately, than a pistol.

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Believe the M2 saw a fair amount of use in Korea. My boy and I were blasting concrete blocks one day. We had a .44 mag with lead bullets at full speed and an M1 with factory ball ammo. The M1 quickly blew the blocks into little chunks and the .44 just kind of worked around the edges. It was impressive.
A lot of M2 Carbines were also used in Vietnam.

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Thank you folks for your knowledge and enlightenment.

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It's easier to teach a novice to shoot a rifle adequately, than a pistol.
I can personally attest to that fact. Also, most troops are safer with rifles/carbines since muzzle awareness is more inherent with a long gun.

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The M2 barely saw combat in WW2, by the time they were fielding it Germany had surrendered and if it saw any action it was likely issued to green replacement troops in the Pacific theater.

Korea was a different story, period. A lot of M2's used over there and left as lend lease for the South Koreans. I knew a couple Korea vets, including my uncle. Uncle Don said it worked fine in the few scraps he was in (he was an MP), said every Chicom he shot he killed. The other said he ditched his garand for an M2, but couldn't hit crap with it because the barrel was shot out. A 30 round mag of traces went everywhere but what your were aiming at so he ditched it for another garand.

FWIW my late father served in the USAF as an AP from 1960-1968. M2's, M1897 shotguns and 1911's were the primary AP weapons through most of his enlistment, though they had M1 rifles, Thompsons and BAR's in the arms rooms. He said he didn't see an M16 or M15 revolver until 1966 when he was assigned to Forbes AFB.

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M1 carbine

Opposite of popular beliefs, the M1 carbine was designed to give support personnel, officers and other non front line troops a lightweight weapon with better firepower (notice I did not say hitting power) over the 1911.

It really wasn't thought of as a major front line weapon like the Garand but many troops, especially those in jungle conditions loved the smaller size,lighter weight and larger magazine capacity which in the M1 original design was 15 rounds.
It also was fast and easy to reload.

It morphed into the M2 very late in the war when it became popular with the
paratroops and the 30 round clip was introduced.

If you use a modern hollowpoint bullet in the M1 carbine, it becomes an excellent short range defense weapon.

All in all it was an excellent weapon if you don't task it with a job it was not designed to do.

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If you use a modern hollowpoint bullet in the M1 carbine, it becomes an excellent short range defense weapon.
The M1 carbine was a favorite of the old NYPD stake out squad. They reportedly used soft point ammo.

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The carbine was originally designed as a semi automatic weapon. In 1944, the Army began plans to develop a select fire carbine. In 1945, the M-2 carbine and 30 round magazine first became issued; it saw limited service in the PTO and even less in the ETO. By the start of hostilities in Korea in 1950, the M-2 carbine was frequently used in combat.


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