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Old February 18th, 2017, 07:03 PM   #1
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I have looked around and have not found ballistics information on the Herters Select Grade 180gr 30-06 ammo. Want to compare it to some other ammo like PPU 180gr so I can determine how much adjustment to make when shooting. I have about 80 rounds of each right now and would like to see if can use both in a practical rifle class without a big difference in scope settings. I have looked at multiple sights that sell Herters ammo and none of them post muzzle velocity and energy. Anyone know?
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Old February 18th, 2017, 09:28 PM   #2
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I don't know either but a way to find out would be to buy or borrow a friends chronograph, even if it was advertised it would not be the same in every rifle do to many factors such as groove depth on the rifling and twist and so on..Shoot some through the chrono and then you can load to to equal it....

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Old February 19th, 2017, 04:13 AM   #3
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Honest Henry, it's manufactured by Sellier & Bellot, so you may want to check their website. They show they load 3 different projectiles in 180 grains 2 of them being soft points. They show ballistics for each offering, but as Stevep51d stated, the only way to know for sure is using a chronograph.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 05:27 AM   #4
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I would expect it to be pretty close to other 180gr commercial offerings.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 09:52 AM   #5
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Email Cabela's as they own the Herters name and import the ammo.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 10:11 AM   #6
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You haven't said what type of rifle your feeding this ammo in, so I feel compelled to share that I don't like feeding commercial 180 grain 30-06 ammo in M1 Garands. In the past it usually has been unnecessarily hard on them.
So I certainly understand your interest in knowing the characteristics of the ammo your using. Willard and Stevep51d have both made good points when combined should give a reasonable picture of the ammo.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 11:35 AM   #7
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When you change ammo types in a rifle, two things happen-

1, the ballistics will change as you mention, different bullet types and muzzle velocity will fly differently, this comes into play with drop charts or comeups for different ranges. You can predict this to some degree with a chronograph and ballistic charts or software, but that is only a rough approximation and needs to be confirmed by actual firing in your rifle.

2, the rifle (most rifles) will throw the bullets to a different place, ie the zero will change. This is not the bullet's flight, this is the rifle itself, different bullet type, weight, MV, propellant, the rifle will react differently and throw it to a different zero. This can't be predicted and can only be documented by actual firing. A really stable rifle with a heavy barrel and really solid bedding might not see much change, but most rifles will change zero with different ammo.

Based on the above, if I were paying for a rifle school, I would only bring one type of ammo, same type and manufacturer, preferably all the same lot number. Otherwise you will be chasing your tail with unknown zero changes during a class that you paid to be in.

If you think about it, it's fairly expensive to go through the process of building known zeros and comeups for a rifle and ammo combo if you add up all the cost of the ammo, class fees, etc, so the ammo you use and document should be the type that you plan to use the most in the future. If you invest the money to build good known data for one ammo type, then get home and change ammo type, you have essentially wasted the money it took to get that data.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 11:43 AM   #8
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regarding Herter's ammo, I was under the impression that it's Russian "bear" ammo, just repackaged with the Herter's brand, and not good quality stuff at all.

It's a shame, I grew up about a mile from the original Herter's store, spent a lot of time there, knew the family, went to school with the Herter boys. Paddled many miles in the Boundary Waters wilderness in a Herter's aluminum canoe. Too bad they aren't around anymore. Cabela's freely admits that their whole model of the stores as an outdoor experience theme park of sorts was based on that original Herter's store. What a place that was.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 12:50 PM   #9
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Spent many an hour looking at their extensive catalog, everything they had was "best in the world..." and at that time could not have agreed more, the past does have many fond memories. Still have one of their fly rods and fly reels made in Germany.

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This is for a Remington 1903-A3 that has been sporterized and scoped.

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Old February 19th, 2017, 04:03 PM   #11
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Ok I finally found what I was looking for.


Herters Select Grade Ammo
Caliber Bullet Weight Bullet Type Number of Rounds
.30-06 Springfield 150 Grain SPCE 20
• Muzzle Velocity- 2887 FPS.
Muzzle Energy- 2777 ft. lbs.

Caliber Bullet Weight Bullet Type Number of Rounds
.30-06 Springfield 180 Grain SP 20
• Muzzle Velocity- 2707 FPS.
Muzzle Energy- 2930 ft. lbs.

Made in Czech Republic
Bullets have a lead-core.
Non-corrosive boxer primed; brass case.

Thanks to everyone for getting me going in the right direcition, Cabela's website was the source. 180gr and 150gr both at $14.44 per box of 20, best price on Ammoseek.com.

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