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Old January 1st, 2017, 06:23 PM   #16
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Lesson learned! Never buy "reloads" or "Hand loads" from anyone.
Hell not even from me!
Because there is no way to know!
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 11:42 AM   #17
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I bought some ones handloads for what I thought was a good price. Some were in enblocs some weren't, but he said they were all loaded for the M1. He sounded like he knew what he was doing, but now I'm not so sure.

I pulled two rounds apart to see what I got. Both have 57 grains of powder. One had a COAL of 3.15 and the other was longer (I forget the number). Both well short of the length the book calls out. One was 165 grain bullet and the other 150. Brass looks unused R-P marked.

I reloaded the two rounds I pulled apart with different 155 grain bullets and 55 and 56 grains of powder respectively.

Do these rounds sound safe?
Absolutely not!

1. Buying other people's handloads - BAD IDEA

2. Different bullets in the same batch of ammo - BAD

3. Same powder charge of unknown powder for different bullets -BAD

4. 57 grains of unknown powder, .30/06 in a garand gas system - BAD

Back during the panic and ammo was hard to find, there were a LOT of amateur bombmakers pretending to be ammunition manufacturers selling ziploc bags full of gun destruction at all the gun shows. Unlicensed, no liability insurance and no idea how to contact them after the surgeon pulled your bolt out of your face in the ER.

If you like your guns and like not being injured, pull this ammo and only buy from legit sources.

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Old January 2nd, 2017, 01:57 PM   #18
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I already ordered a bullet puller. I decided on the hammer type as the bullets seem to be loaded rather deep in the brass. It seems like they'd be hard to grab with a collet type.

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Old January 6th, 2017, 06:32 PM   #19
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After unloading about 150 rounds I now feel like a professional unloader. My Midsouth shooter supply store brand unloader worked real good. I left three rounds loaded. The first one is a Lake City round dated 69 that has a purple mark on the primer and case. I'm pretty sure this is a factory round safe for the M1. The other two say HXP 73. The cases don't show any signs of being fired and reloaded. Is there any way to know if these are factory rounds.

I was glad to see all but 13 rounds had the same bullets.

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The other two say HXP 73. The cases don't show any signs of being fired and reloaded. Is there any way to know if these are factory rounds.
CMP sold the Greek HXP by the zillions. What it looked like coming out of the can:


The primers are usually staked in three places:

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Contrary to what some people think the bullet isn't steel core. It's a lead core with a gilded (with copper) mild steel jacket.


Hope that helps.

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Old January 7th, 2017, 06:21 AM   #21
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After unloading about 150 rounds I now feel like a professional unloader. My Midsouth shooter supply store brand unloader worked real good. I left three rounds loaded. The first one is a Lake City round dated 69 that has a purple mark on the primer and case. I'm pretty sure this is a factory round safe for the M1. The other two say HXP 73. The cases don't show any signs of being fired and reloaded. Is there any way to know if these are factory rounds.

I was glad to see all but 13 rounds had the same bullets.
Be advised that even though those rounds, the LC and HXP, look ok, if they came from this same guy, you don't know what might have been done to them.

I would not shoot them. I have seen what looked like good military surplus and some factory ammo that has been fooled with. In light of the what you found with this other ammo, you have to ask yourself how lucky you feel.

I had a recent experience where a guy I knew needed to get rid of some .38 Special ammo because he was moving. He swore they were factory loads that he got from somebody who owed him money.

Because I knew him and knew he was not a reloader, I trusted him. Well, when I got the ammo home I decided to take a closer look.

Reloads, almost all of it. When I pulled the first few, the powder charges were all over the place. The fault was mine, not the guy I got the ammo from, he didn't know better, I should have.

On the bright side, at least I was smart enough to check and my flower garden got a good dose of fertilizer.

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I have LC the same year. It's possible I mixed it in by mistake. It looks identical. I'm sure that the purple mark on the primer means it's never been fired. The HXP 73 on the other hand looks a bit different than anything that I've seen. Most HXP cases seem to have various color shades like the LC 69 and Samuel Seeley's pics. My HXP is all one bright color like the RP cases. Primers are chrome colored. On the positive side I tried unloading one and the bullet didn't want to come out. This leads me to believe that it has some sealant holding them in. Hollow points. I'm leaning toward pulling these. I'll just have to use the press to break the sealant first.

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Old January 7th, 2017, 02:06 PM   #23
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Primers are chrome colored. Hollow points. I'm leaning toward pulling these. I'll just have to use the press to break the sealant first.
I'd vote for pulling them - I don't think HXP came with hollow points. Using a press to break the seal works OK. The ones I've pulled had a black sealant of some sort.

The primer color may not be meaningful. I checked the primers on some of my HXP from different years. Some have a slight copper color like the one in my picture, some have a dull chrome look. If yours are shiny chrome that would also make me think it is a reload.

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Old January 9th, 2017, 03:31 PM   #24
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I pulled the HXP. Bullets were not sealed, just a much tighter fit than the rest.

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You're better off using steel cased 30-06 ammo versus brass ammo from an unknown source.

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