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Old February 20th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by timshufflin View Post
I think you were pretty clear Mr. Fisher. Where were the receivers doing the warping? That is really my main question.
The area of the front receiver legs was the most notable warping point. The owners of the rifles said they could not get the actions out of GI stocks without undue force and in one case it actually cracked the stock. On one or two of the rifles, even a well worn GI stocks would no longer fit down over the warped receiver legs without having to do some serious filing inside the stocks.

Now, of course I have no idea whether the receivers were stress relieved before or after the machining was done. I don't think they were stress relieved after the machining was done, but I don't know for sure. I also don't know if stess relieving the areas after machining would have kept the receiver legs from warping.

What I did notice on the approximate 1/2 dozen or more REAL BM59's/64's I examined in Somalia was that the receiver legs were not warped and those rifles had at least 3,000 rounds fired, if not more and in a couple of cases a LOT more rounds fired, judging by the Throat Erosion Readings in them. Those receivers were hardened after they were originally machined to those specs when the receivers were first manufactured.

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Old February 21st, 2013, 05:34 AM   #17
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Like I said Mr. Fisher, I wanted to hear what you had seen, anecdotal or not. I have seen what you describe but I've seen it on standard Garands as well. On the 59, which requires pretty thin legs, you can literally bend the legs by hand. If I had it my way, I'd just cut them off as you don't need them but in an effort to make things look real, they are profiled and left on.

On my M14 magazine mod, I started out leaving 1/3 of the front leg on but have now gone to no front legs at all.

Always good hearing what you've seen Sir.

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This was a very informative thread.

The mention of the heat treatment on the inside of the receiver legs being as important as the outside is really something to think about.


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Old March 28th, 2013, 12:35 PM   #19
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Looks like a Frankengun, IMHO.
I'd feel better if the rifle used the later BM-59 type gas cylinder and op-rod. Again, IMHO, too many of the short barreled garand type rifles with the original gas cylinder/ op-rod configuration tend towards unreliable operation for me.
That bi-pod doesn't look anything like an Italian BM-59 rifle for mountain troops.
Makes me wonder about the magazines he's using too.

To be clear, the above is about the gun in the OP. Not anything to do with Shufflin's work.

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Tim does do a mighty fine job. I've put about 3000 rds thru my Mini-G and its holding up well.

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