M14 Forum

USMC 711 · January 21st, 2012, 01:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn0KBzK2Kho

Based on what I have seen, I believe the problem is not due to headspace or a cartridge loaded with too much powder.

Yet, the cartridge is the culprit. I think it is a "squibb" load. A squibb load happens at the factory or reloading press whereby a properly primed cartridge case has it's bullet seated properly --- but they skipped putting in the gunpowder.

The result is when fired the primer creates sufficient pressure to get the bullet to travel down the barrel. If it actually clears the barrel, it falls short on the range, and is known as a "short round". But if it gets lodged in the barrel, it is referred to a "squib load"

I had a short round happen to me once with a bolt action rifle. However, with a semi auto, when things are going faster, it is easy to rack and reload.

I could see the shooter clear what she percieved as a jam or bad cartridge - but it would have been to her advantage to examine the case before casting aside and going to the next logical question: what happened to the bullet?

711

RAMMAC · January 21st, 2012, 02:47 PM

Already been discussed

Ever see an M1 Garand blow up?

Gus Fisher says that it is a common 7th round issue that is caused by a timing problem. The 7th round was not fired, it didn't chamber correctly, she removed it and chambered the 8th round but did not let the bolt go home properly.

captain_bob_badfish · January 21st, 2012, 04:00 PM

That made my heart skip a beat.

USMC 711 · January 21st, 2012, 04:26 PM

So his interpretation was firing out of battery?

I did not see the other link before, but will take all considerations into account.

Thank you.

711

Ulyranger · January 26th, 2012, 06:51 AM

Hmmm, it was the seventh round and she definitely rode the bolt/op rod forward. Must of thought she was shooting a bolt gun......

conditionone · January 26th, 2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulyranger

Hmmm, it was the seventh round and she definitely rode the bolt/op rod forward. Must of thought she was shooting a bolt gun......

I think that's exactly what happened.

WatchDog762 · March 5th, 2012, 09:55 PM

Almost had the same thing happen shooting a 9mm carbine. Noticed the report was alot quiter and the case did not eject. Cleared the weapon, and ran a cleaning rod down the barrel and knocked out the projectile. Had a primer but no powder.

oneshy · March 6th, 2012, 07:33 AM

I think 711 called it right. It was the 6th rd and she removes the case with the squibb projectile in the chamber then chambers no. 7. The 2 weapons sound different as if they are shooting different loads. I guess we'll never know whether or not they were reloads but I would be willing to bet they were.

RAMMAC · March 6th, 2012, 10:10 AM

No, 711 did not call it right. She states specifically that there was no squib.

Link to her explanation.
Ever see an M1 Garand blow up?

This is an out of spec, worn out rifle that had a problem with the 7th cartridge not feeding correctly and it was out of battery due to her riding the bolt home.

Xsail · March 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM

Any firearm that will fire out of battery is a sorry a$$ design. Or.....Is that conclusion of what happened flawed speculation?....O.L.

jbrooks · March 6th, 2012, 01:56 PM

It is not possible for an IN-SPEC Garand to fire out of battery. That's the whole purpose of the receiver bridge and firing pin tang arrangement.

Emphasis intended here. However, nobody knows the condition of that particular rifle. So anything is possible.

JWB

RAMMAC · March 6th, 2012, 03:05 PM

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I am the person this happened to. The 7th round jammed, which is nothing unusual for this gun. It happens all the time. That is why I didn't really hesitate to shoot the final round. We were using newer ammo, so we don't think that's the problem. My brother has been looking at his M1, and we noticed it will still fire with the chamber not fully closed. The chamber can be open up to 1/2" and the weapon will still fire. We think that's what happend.

Another of her comments, see this is so easy if you just ask instead of speculate and start rumors. It seems like most people like to so solve problems by first making a baseless assumption about why something happened and then they spend unbelievable amounts of energy trying to prove that they are right.

Xsail · March 6th, 2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RAMMAC

Another of her comments, see this is so easy if you just ask instead of speculate and start rumors. It seems like most people like to so solve problems by first making a baseless assumption about why something happened and then they spend unbelievable amounts of energy trying to prove that they are right.

Rammac, Are you saying it was an out of battery? What's her definition of "firing"? I'd bet it's hammer falling but that doesn't mean it hit the pin?...O.L.

RAMMAC · March 6th, 2012, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Xsail

Rammac, Are you saying it was an out of battery? What's her definition of "firing"? I'd bet it's hammer falling but that doesn't mean it hit the pin?...O.L.

I wouldn't know, if you are so interested why waste your time asking me, contact her directly on the you tube link and get a factual answer rather than just more supposition.