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Old September 29th, 2011, 02:51 PM   #1
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Question Quality Hardware M1 Carbine

I am considering the purchase of a Quality Hardware M1 carbine from someone locally. Is Quality Hardware considered a good manufacturer of the M1 carbine? What should I look for when I examine the carbine to make sure I don't get burned on the deal? What is the going price for a Quality Hardware M1 carbine in good condition?

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Old September 29th, 2011, 03:18 PM   #2
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I am considering the purchase of a Quality Hardware M1 carbine from someone locally. Is Quality Hardware considered a good manufacturer of the M1 carbine? What should I look for when I examine the carbine to make sure I don't get burned on the deal? What is the going price for a Quality Hardware M1 carbine in good condition?

Any help would be appreciated.
Here's some for sale from $500 + to $2,750(No Bidders Yet!)

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/SearchResults.aspx

Quality Hardware ranks right in the middle by Quantity Manufactured, I Believe, 5th of 10 Manufacturers for the U.S. Government...

What I am seeing right now is a lot of guys who have purchased from the CMP in the last two or so years are now trying to 'turn' them at a profit...
Not that there is anything wrong with that...but if the Seller is just a local guy who bought from CMP...and will show you the Receipt...I tend to think that is a Good Thing If You Can Get It For About What HE Paid For It From CMP...
On the other hand...if he bought one from a BigBoxStore...and it looks like it got run over by a Deuce and a half...RUN, FORREST, RUN!
Don't Buy A Crappy One...

There is a LOT of Threads and Posts Here on the CMP and Carbines...Try to do something reading BEFORE...
Try to get Him to Hold It For You So You Can Take Pictures, Write down everything You See On It...and then Go Home and Do MORE Research!!!

Good Luck!

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Old September 29th, 2011, 03:30 PM   #3
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They are good rifles but look for the obvious.If it has a bayonet lug or adjustable rear site its not original and it should also have a push button safety and non reinforced mag catch beyond that you will have to check parts codes on each part.If not original $500 is a fair price.

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Old September 29th, 2011, 04:23 PM   #4
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All of the Carbine manufactures are as good as the next as far as manufacturing quality for function.
Some manufactures will cost more than others because of desireability, less numbers made
Check for a Import mark which IMO drops the value $100.00
Need to measure the muzzle for wear

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Old September 29th, 2011, 06:33 PM   #5
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Personally, I LIKE the bayonet lug and I LIKE the adjustable rear sight and I LIKE the flip safety and I like all the upgrades a decent rebuild sports.

"Original" or "correct" mean nothing to me. I like my tools to be sharp.

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Old September 29th, 2011, 06:51 PM   #6
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Many M1 Carbines you run across will be cleaned up and look OK, but are worn out.

Check muzzle wear with the bullet end of a cartridge.
Check head space if possible.

I have several M1 carbines of various manufacturers, a Quality Hardware among them and it is good as any.
(Even have an Irwin Pederson)

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Old September 29th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #7
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good condition could mean alot of things, which is hard to put a price on, that being said M1 carbines in good shape without import marks are going up in price, the CMP says they don't expect to get anymore. I bought 2 service grades from the last batch at the CMP, I think they were $500 each and if I found one for sale in the condition I got these, I would buy at $600, if I were looking for more..

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Check the muzzle area for nicks and dents. If there is any damage that extends towards the bore, have the rifle checked by a gunsmith to make sure the bore is round...any deformation in this area will cause accuracy problems. If you have access to a muzzle gauge: anything over .003" wear (.311) is questionable and may effect accuracy; but not always...again a good gunsmith is a great help. If the bore is "counter-bored" (smooth bore about 1/4 to 3/8 inch before rifling) this was a re-build done at depot if the muzzle was worn/damaged. Again, see a gunsmith.
Shoot the gun!!! Buy 50-100 rounds of ammo, a pack of shoot-n-see targets and a 50 yard range. Shots should be within 6" at 50 yards or less (carbine is not noted for tack-driver accuracy). Field-strip it and check the piston and nut on the bottom of the barrel. If there is any damage to these parts; thanks but no thanks. Can be repaired, but may cost $100+ to do so.
Unless the gun is in "as-issued" or "correct" condition, cost should be around $600-800. CMP service grade carbines sold for around $500-700 depending on maker and IIRC the Qualities went for around $695. If accessories come with the gun, slings/oilers can be found for $15-45 (higher for GI and WWII issue, but you have to know the codes to be sure), mags from around $9-20 (15 round only!!! Stay away for 30 rounders unless you are positive they are GI. Non-GI are cr@p unless they are the new Koreans) and bayonets are another minefield that can remove your wallet from your pocket.
Check the barrel for import markings (some companies marked barrels under the handguard or stock) some people deduct $50-100 if so marked, but unless the stamping is so hard it warped the barrel it's not a deal-killer if you just want a shooter. If the finish is well worn, you might think about deducting $50-75 from the asking price...only if bare metal is the dominate color! Stocks can be dented and mis-colored, but if it is cracked, broken or gouged badly take $75 off.

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Old October 1st, 2011, 07:28 AM   #9
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Thanks for the info. I doubt I will be able to fire the rifle or take it to a gunsmith for inspection before striking a deal on the carbine. The ad indicated the rifle was not an import and ME = 1.

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