M14 Forum

smallie9 · September 15th, 2011, 05:01 AM

Hello All,

I have always wanted an M14/M1A for long time, and finally had the opportunity to get one this year. I found an SAI M1A Standard at a local gun shop for a price I could not refuse, and finally I had one in my possesion. Needless to say I was pretty excited about the acquisition. I figured with the money I saved on the purchase I could make some upgrades, and with a little research and help from the Firing Line, and it's many knowledegable members I had a game plan for my rifle.

I set out to make some component additions and upgrades part of which included a trigger group upgrade, this is the foundation of my disappointment and frustration. I chose to send my trigger group to Smith Enterprises for the trigger upgrade. I thought this would be a reputable place to have the work done. The trigger group was sent pronto after some communication regarding the upgrade and potentially an approximate delivery date.

The initial conversation suggested around the two week mark,give or take for the upgrade completion. I was in no hurry mind you so this sounded reasonable and I was aware of Mr. Smith's other committments. The trigger group was sent in Janurary of this year. I have had some conversation on the phone and through e-mail since that time on the progress of my trigger group. I have been patient, cordial and understanding until this point. Mind you I am not one to usually express my problems in this manner, but thought the members should be aware before they set out on a project.

So I have this new rifle that has never had a round fired through it, winter is shortly arriving here in Michigan and no trigger. I have tried to make further communication this month to no avail. Now I just want my trigger group back even if untouched.

tonyben · September 15th, 2011, 05:08 AM

I hope you get it back soon. Sorry to hear of your woes.

Please keep us updated on this.

YardDogOne · September 15th, 2011, 05:21 AM

That seems beyond patient,

I'm in an issue with Smith right now and just waiting to see how it plays out

not sure I can see my way to ever do business with them again

smallie9 · September 15th, 2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by YardDogOne

That seems beyond patient,

I'm in an issue with Smith right now and just waiting to see how it plays out

not sure I can see my way to ever do business with them again

I had plans to purchase other products as well,and this also was discussed as part of the trigger upgrade. I am quite forgiving when warranted and still may purchase other items from them, but cannot condone poor customer relations.(We all know how that has played out for the auto industry in my home state)

KyAggie · September 15th, 2011, 07:00 AM

Oh, man, having previously lived in Michigan, I can feel your pain! Hopefully they will at least return your trigger to you soon.

I am not sure what all SEI does when they work over a trigger but in future, if all you want is a really nice trigger pull, I suggest you try Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs. He has done at least a half dozen triggers for me over the last two years ranging from AR's, M1's, and one M1A; they have all been outstanding. I even replaced a RRA NM 2 stage trigger in one AR with a standard trigger worked over by him because I found I could double tap faster with it. Here is the painful part.....the longest I have ever been out of a trigger group, when sent out to him for work, was 7 days. Yes, that's right; within 7 days of shipping out, they have ALL returned to my doorstep! His customer service is exemplary! Here is a link:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

or maybe it should look like this:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

I am new to posting here, hopefully one of these links is live.

Grunt0321 · September 16th, 2011, 09:28 AM

Be careful with SEI trigger "upgrades".. I have repaired several SEI upgraded trigger assemblies that the owners had double, triple etc. There are many ways to reduce the pull weight on the trigger of an M1 or M1A, but only one right way..

grunt0321

Semper Fi

1KPerDay · September 16th, 2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KyAggie

Oh, man, having previously lived in Michigan, I can feel your pain! Hopefully they will at least return your trigger to you soon.

I am not sure what all SEI does when they work over a trigger but in future, if all you want is a really nice trigger pull, I suggest you try Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs. He has done at least a half dozen triggers for me over the last two years ranging from AR's, M1's, and one M1A; they have all been outstanding. I even replaced a RRA NM 2 stage trigger in one AR with a standard trigger worked over by him because I found I could double tap faster with it. Here is the painful part.....the longest I have ever been out of a trigger group, when sent out to him for work, was 7 days. Yes, that's right; within 7 days of shipping out, they have ALL returned to my doorstep! His customer service is exemplary! Here is a link:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

or maybe it should look like this:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

I am new to posting here, hopefully one of these links is live.

Holy smoke, those prices are great! I just paid $60 for a Mini-14 trigger job via ebay (well recommended but I haven't gotten it back yet; just sent it on the 6th).

I'm definitely going to try your guy. I have a couple M1 Carbines that could use some work. And some Garands... and....

smallie9 · September 19th, 2011, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KyAggie

Oh, man, having previously lived in Michigan, I can feel your pain! Hopefully they will at least return your trigger to you soon.

I am not sure what all SEI does when they work over a trigger but in future, if all you want is a really nice trigger pull, I suggest you try Bill Springfield in Colorado Springs. He has done at least a half dozen triggers for me over the last two years ranging from AR's, M1's, and one M1A; they have all been outstanding. I even replaced a RRA NM 2 stage trigger in one AR with a standard trigger worked over by him because I found I could double tap faster with it. Here is the painful part.....the longest I have ever been out of a trigger group, when sent out to him for work, was 7 days. Yes, that's right; within 7 days of shipping out, they have ALL returned to my doorstep! His customer service is exemplary! Here is a link:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

or maybe it should look like this:

http://www.triggerwork.net/index.html

I am new to posting here, hopefully one of these links is live.

If I get a trigger group back I will look into your suggestions. I have a feeling I will be on the hook to get a whole new assembly. (Which really pisses me off) I hope he is not treating our troops in this fashion!

smallie9 · September 20th, 2011, 09:15 AM

I cannot get in touch with them by any means, are they still in existance?

smallie9 · September 26th, 2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by smallie9

I cannot get in touch with them by any means, are they still in existance?

I guess the illegals overan the facility down there, after numerous attempts I have not made contact. I guess I will be looking for a trigger group.

Night Stalker · October 1st, 2011, 10:19 AM

Guys I know Ron will resolve this issue, keep trying to contact him, he's got a lot going on I'm sure

BLACKTAIL 8541 · October 2nd, 2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Stalker

Guys I know Ron will resolve this issue, keep trying to contact him, he's got a lot going on I'm sure

That is no excuse. He was quoted a 2 week time frame and now can not even get in contact with them. Totaly unacceptable.

M1A ricochet · October 2nd, 2011, 08:22 AM

Oh jeebus!, I am an impatient man and would be outraged.....they built space shuttles in less time. ;)

Night Stalker · October 2nd, 2011, 10:29 PM

What ever, cant talk to the close minded

smallie9 · October 3rd, 2011, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Stalker

Guys I know Ron will resolve this issue, keep trying to contact him, he's got a lot going on I'm sure

I understand people or business can get busy, and I have given them the benefit of doubt in this regard, but how far should I go to have them do "THEY'RE" job. In my background in self employed private business and twenty years in the automotive industry, one thing is infinitely clear, TAKE CARE OF THE CUSTOMER.