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Old December 5th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #16
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lose the band huh? why would that make a difference when the synthetic stock is touching the barrel from the reciever on down?
I'm not pretending to know for sure why it sometimes improves accuracy. Only that I've heard it reported quite a bit over the years and have seen it for myself multiple times. I'd at least try it before investing in one of the heavy barrels.

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Old December 5th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #17
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Reason losing the band helps is
Because there's some very violent stuff happening when u pull the trigger. Those forces cause vibrations and for lack of a better term "whipping"'of the barrel.

The barrel is connected to the reciever, receiver is connected to the stock. At that point is the only commen contact point and at the point to where the vibrations/harmonics start. With the band around the barrel and stock those harmonics/ whipping go down the barrel and are then interupted or interfered with by the band.

Removing the band allows the barrel to "do its thing" and return to a natural resting point.

This is also the reason for floating the barrel. With no contact from the Barrel/receiver/stock interface forward it allows the barrel to deal with these very violent actions and return to it's natural resting point w/o interference or pressure on any one side.

The reason for bedding is to support the receiver and give it no room to move. Holding the receiver firm in one spot and receiver does not move around in the stock effecting the repeated resting of the action and ensuring repeatability on follow up shots.

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No I meant bead the barrel and float the action. I can get more info tomorrow when I go through my notes some if you want.
Please do, this is just the opposite of what is normally done to accurize a rifle and I'm curious about how this helps. If you bed the barrel then would removing the barrel band still improve accuracy?

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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:35 AM   #19
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Reason losing the band helps is
Because there's some very violent stuff happening when u pull the trigger. Those forces cause vibrations and for lack of a better term "whipping"'of the barrel.

The barrel is connected to the reciever, receiver is connected to the stock. At that point is the only commen contact point and at the point to where the vibrations/harmonics start. With the band around the barrel and stock those harmonics/ whipping go down the barrel and are then interupted or interfered with by the band.

Removing the band allows the barrel to "do its thing" and return to a natural resting point.

This is also the reason for floating the barrel. With no contact from the Barrel/receiver/stock interface forward it allows the barrel to deal with these very violent actions and return to it's natural resting point w/o interference or pressure on any one side.

The reason for bedding is to support the receiver and give it no room to move. Holding the receiver firm in one spot and receiver does not move around in the stock effecting the repeated resting of the action and ensuring repeatability on follow up shots.
Bern, I understand barrel harmonics- but ive always sort of considered it a moot issue with something as small as a .22lr... but maybe im wrong. I tried it with my CZ452 and it didnt seem to do anything at all.

I took the barrel band off, made sure my barrel screws were tightened (dont have a torque wrench so Im sort of winging it). I already gave her a good trigger job, breaking cleanly and pretty crisp at around 3lbs.

I also drilled and tapped the bottom of the stock right behind where the barrel band meets and installed a little picatanny rail for a bipod/tac light/foregrip/drinkholder, etc. I beat cut peices from a tin pepper can into shape and drilled holes in them to help retain the screws from the inside of the stock.

Ill be doing accuracy testing tomorrow, im going for 1 inch at 50 meters, id be more than happy with that running bulk ammo.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 06:40 AM   #20
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Please do, this is just the opposite of what is normally done to accurize a rifle and I'm curious about how this helps. If you bed the barrel then would removing the barrel band still improve accuracy?
The reason you can bed the barrel on the 10/22 is because the action is so light in comparison to other actions. This is the only gun I know of that you can do this.

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Ammo! That would be my first thing to check out, buy a box of every things you can get your hands on. Then find what shoots the best and buy as much of it as you can. Wolf match is $4 or $5 a box of 50. But alot of guns love it.
Ammo, yes. With bulk ammo, I find great inconsistency even between boxes of the same brand made at different times. Consistency proofing starts with buying a subsonic premium brand to see how that shoots. If you get bad groups using that, you know the problem is not going to be with the with the ammo.

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The reason you can bed the barrel on the 10/22 is because the action is so light in comparison to other actions. This is the only gun I know of that you can do this.
I still don't see where bedding the barrel would be helpful, restricting the natural movement of barrel seems counter-intuitive to me. Also why would you float the receiver? Is the receiver lighter than the barrel? I assume that like most rifles it isn't and It seems to me that you would bed the heaviest part of the two and if anything is floated then let the lighter part move freely.

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Tech Sights are the irons spoken of earlier in the thread. I have them and its a great improvement over the standards, but for the proper adjustable ones, its about $65 dollars.

I would check that mounting screw OFTEN. after a day of shooting, you would be surprised by how it can loosen and begin to crap up your groups.

Are you using a GI loop sling? Cuz if not, you are missing out on how good you could be. Tech sights sells a GI style that is an inch wide (normal GIs are a 1.25 W) and may fit your swivels without modification.

FInally, I would go to an Appleseed shoot where just about everyone will be using 10/22s and you can really concentrate on holding your groups at 25 meters. THis is a little shorter than you are shooting, but good groups are good groups.

Unfortunately the only free mod above is tightening the screw.

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Tech Sights are the irons spoken of earlier in the thread. I have them and its a great improvement over the standards, but for the proper adjustable ones, its about $65 dollars.

I would check that mounting screw OFTEN. after a day of shooting, you would be surprised by how it can loosen and begin to crap up your groups.

Are you using a GI loop sling? Cuz if not, you are missing out on how good you could be. Tech sights sells a GI style that is an inch wide (normal GIs are a 1.25 W) and may fit your swivels without modification.

FInally, I would go to an Appleseed shoot where just about everyone will be using 10/22s and you can really concentrate on holding your groups at 25 meters. THis is a little shorter than you are shooting, but good groups are good groups.

Unfortunately the only free mod above is tightening the screw.
Maybe ill throw some loctite or some nail polish on that puppy.

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usually sort ammo by rim thickness which was mentioned on rimfire central. just a thought

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Get a good trigger

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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:48 PM   #27
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tested 4 types of ammo today-

Federal bulk copper plated

Federal Lighting

Winchester super x

Low noise remington

avg 10 shot group was 2 inches at 50. the low noise was 4 inches.

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I tore down my trigger group and stoned off flashing from the stamped metal parts. It did moderately help to clean up the trigger pull (will not reduce effort). I would still like one of those volquartsen groups.

To go with phillip26's post, with the bull barrel 10/22s, you don't want to try to free float the barrel as I don't believe the action will sustain this. With my 10/22, I replaced the stock with a hogue overmold and the barrel with a cheapie carbon fiber Butler Creek .920 profile barrel. 50yd 10 shot 3/8"-1/2" groups with CCI standard velocity.

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I was wrong about what barrels you bed while floating the action, and it is only the Heavy barrels not the regular ones, and it is because of the weight. For a standard barrel you still what to float it and bed the action if you are going to bed anything. So the cheapest thing you can do are remove the barrel band and if you want to bed the action.

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I was wrong about what barrels you bed while floating the action, and it is only the Heavy barrels not the regular ones, and it is because of the weight. For a standard barrel you still what to float it and bed the action if you are going to bed anything. So the cheapest thing you can do are remove the barrel band and if you want to bed the action.
Ah that makes sense, thanks for the update.

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