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October 24th, 2011, 06:42 PM
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#1 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas
Posts: 1,521
| Model 1890 Winchester Pump .22LR
How common are these little guys? This one has been in my family for a long time.
Missing a few parts thanks to a young yours truely who when he was 5 or 6 years old took it out from under his dads bed and was playing coyboys and indians with it and then hid it behind the shed, his dad finding it rusted to high hell after about a week outside in the rain... Yes she is a break-apart, and yes I remember the first time I heard a leather belt clearing belt-loops, haha!
She still shoots like a dream though. Just wondering on what you all had to say about it, maybe someone could educate me a bit on her. The serial number corrasponds to a 1940's production, which is in the 700,000 range. I love this little rifle. I was thinking about replacing the parts and having it reblued, as her barrel is in most excellent condition. Tang sight and she still has the original carrying case too.
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October 24th, 2011, 07:32 PM
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#2 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MN
Posts: 1,249
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parts are available for it. a search on the net should bring up a few places that sell them.
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October 25th, 2011, 08:53 AM
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#3 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: USA
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Which of the 22 calibers does it shoot? I have several of these and would fix it
up (parts and maybe not the finish????), can't place a price on a family treasure
like that. 22LR is the hardest to come by.
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October 25th, 2011, 09:21 AM
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#4 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas
Posts: 1,521
| Quote:
Originally Posted by perazziboy  which of the 22 calibers does it shoot? I have several of these and would fix it
up (parts and maybe not the finish????), can't place a price on a family treasure
like that. 22lr is the hardest to come by. | .22lr
One big question i have about this rifle is, should i leave in its original condition as-is? even though its a bit rusted on the outside, would fixing it up degrade is value? i already had a smith tell me it was worth around the 400 range. I dont plan on selling it, as i enjoy it and its been a member of my family for a long time, but id like to know. if restoring it with new blueing and other new little parts wouldnt hurt the value, id probably go ahead and do it and shoot her for another 50 years.
theres quite a bit of pitting on the surface of the gun, cant seem to get some of the rust off either.
UPDATE- just called a place in MO, they quoted me 500 to case harden and reblue. as-is this little gal is worth 400-900 dollars (over the phone description and price quote). ill probably just hang on to her, shoot the snot outta her and pass it down to my kids (Lord forbid I ever reproduce).
Last edited by Whatsinaname181; October 25th, 2011 at 09:55 AM.
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October 25th, 2011, 10:26 AM
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#5 | | Platoon Commander
Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: North Florida
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Rebluing and restoration wouldn't hurt the current value, but it wouldn't enhance the value as much as the restoration would cost. Winchester made tons of these, so they're not really rare collectibles, though they are desirable to have. I haven't see very many of them with a tang mounted peep sight; if it's factory mounted, that would be an enhancement.
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October 25th, 2011, 10:43 AM
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#6 | | Fire Team Leader
Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: USA
Posts: 209
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They did not make that many of these in 22LR, nice to have..... Do whatever will make you happy with the rifle, who
cares what it is worth because you will NEVER sell it. I would replace all the parts to have a complete rifle then decide
what you want to do with the finish. Nice project
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October 25th, 2011, 11:02 AM
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#7 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas
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Thanks for the advice gents. She really is one of the most fun rifles I own. Sometimes nothing is better than going out with a brick and just plinking away all day and meandering around the pasture.
and yes, everything is original that is on the rifle, to include the tang/peep sight.
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October 25th, 2011, 11:08 AM
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#8 | | Snappin In
Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: colorado springs
Posts: 19
| Refinishing Advice
Straight from my heart; and Head:
DO NOT, under any circumstances, refinish this rifle in any way.
If it has missing parts, replace them with only original parts that have matching wear and blue loss.
If you get it all re-finished, you are comitting an act that can never be undone. It will be just another Winchester that has been ruined. Now, it has romance and authenticity. Tarted up, it will be like a cheap .
If you have money to waste, spend it on Whiskey and Cigarettes. If you don't use them, give them to the homeless.
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October 25th, 2011, 07:46 PM
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#9 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MN
Posts: 1,249
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im really a big snob about 1890 winchesters, but once they get to a certain point, and factoring in its a family heirloom, a refinish isnt going to hurt it- nor help it value wise. personally have it reblued, and dont waste the money on color case hardening.
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October 25th, 2011, 07:57 PM
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#10 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: PNW
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Several years ago I went to look at some tools a guy had for sale but nothing there struck my fancy. I asked my standard, any gun stuff for sale. The guy pulled out 7-8 .22 rifles and said make me an offer. I went through my pockets and came up with someting stupid, like $153 cash. I offered it all to him and he took me up on it. So I walked away with all the rilfes. Among them was a beat up 1890 Winchester. The bore was rusty and pitted but cleaned up with some rifling still showing. It's on display in my library with some other oddball guns..................
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October 25th, 2011, 07:59 PM
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#11 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Northern KY
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Hay John Wanye I say refinish it and tell the story to your kids one day. It will remind you not to leave guns behind the shed. Its a family keeper not an investment. How much of your soul would you loose by sellings it.
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October 26th, 2011, 07:45 AM
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#12 | | Old Salt
Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dixie
Posts: 1,846
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I have an unfired prewar model 61 Winchester hammerless, that is a thing of great beauty. It is going to become a family heirloom when I pass it down to my son after I check out of the net...
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March 8th, 2012, 06:47 AM
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#13 | | Designated Marksman
Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: sw SD
Posts: 676
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Whatsinaname181 Thanks for the advice gents. She really is one of the most fun rifles I own. Sometimes nothing is better than going out with a brick and just plinking away all day and meandering around the pasture.
and yes, everything is original that is on the rifle, to include the tang/peep sight. | When I was a kid thats all I did when given the chance,there were damn few birds,rats hangin around farm except those rats/mice hid deep in the corn crib's.
The fat corn crib rats were dealt with using boards when the crib's was emptyed.Rats were to damn big and fat to run fast it was just a matter of focusing on one bashing it w/board as they came out literally like rats leaving a sinking ship.LOL.
Today PETA would have us humanely trapping them and adopting them out!
LOL.
PS; Im ashamed to learn SD is last on PETA's list for humane tretament of animals!SHOCK and HORROR! 
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