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Old November 19th, 2016, 08:06 PM   #31
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Is there enough lodging in the area? My understanding is that's been a big reason why they haven't moved them.
Yes, they have talked about building more hotels in the area but zero have come to support the NRA Whittington Center with a convention/hotel on site or near by. You have the motels/hotels in Raton and Trinidad Colorado only.


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Old December 6th, 2016, 07:00 AM   #32
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What's WRONG with moving to Indiana? Camp Atterbury is much easier to get to than Camp Perry...
Is that a joke?
Since you live in Indiana, it is probably true - but how about all the non-Hoosiers?
Perry sits at the intersection of two main E/W and N/S Interstates and shooters have been finding their way there for over a hundred years.

I've been to Atterbury and wouldn't go back on a bet. For those who haven't been there in the summer, it is a main training center for National Guard units from all over the mid-west and south. Trying to find housing/quarters and meals is going to significantly more difficult than at Perry.
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Lots of guy's wined and cried when the Nationals were moved from Seagrit too Perry. Personally I think they should move it too some where closer too the center of the country. Ohio is a pretty short hop from almost anywhere on the east side of the country, that cant be said for the guys on the west side of the country..

I'm in favor of slitting the Nationals, you can keep Perry for everyone that want too go but have something somewhere in the west, maybe somewhere in Nevada plenty of open desert out there.
I disagree with your reasoning.
The number of shooters who would go to Atterbury instead of Perry because of distance traveled is miniscule.

This decision smacks of politics and not of anything to do with the shooters.

Not surprised that it was the NRA who decided to take their marbles and go home.

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I disagree with your reasoning.
The number of shooters who would go to Atterbury instead of Perry because of distance traveled is miniscule.

This decision smacks of politics and not of anything to do with the shooters.

Not surprised that it was the NRA who decided to take their marbles and go home.
CMP insisted that their profitable "games" matches MUST be on weekends and the later matches had to finish earlier because a few states start school on 8/1 now. NRA LR was pushed into the July 4th weekend as a consequence. That was apparently untenable for them.

It's not about the politics. It's about money. CMP wants to bring in more, NRA wants to spend less.

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The NRA won't much miss the few dollars I send them, but I will find a better use for the bucks.
I feel the same way about the CMP.

I miss the Orest CMP. Have you actually met Johnson?

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CMP insisted that their profitable "games" matches MUST be on weekends and the later matches had to finish earlier because a few states start school on 8/1 now. NRA LR was pushed into the July 4th weekend as a consequence. That was apparently untenable for them.

It's not about the politics. It's about money. CMP wants to bring in more, NRA wants to spend less.
I can see both sides. Most people have weekends off. CMP wouldn't get people for a Tuesday/Wednesday shoot. When school starts is definitely a factor if you're trying to get new and younger people into the sport.

I can also see why NRA didn't want July 4th weekend. Family get togethers and vacations would also lead to decreased numbers.

It's not always politics and money. It's also your life outside of picking up a rifle that needs to be factored in, as well as the logistics or lack of at the locations being tossed about.

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I can see both sides. Most people have weekends off. CMP wouldn't get people for a Tuesday/Wednesday shoot. When school starts is definitely a factor if you're trying to get new and younger people into the sport.
Oddly, their flagship sports are usually scheduled on weekdays. It's the "fun match" market that is driving this, not the Trophy matches. That shows their priorities. They were completely unwilling to negotiate and dictated the schedule (from what I've heard). Considering the rapidity in announcing that they'd be introducing a classification system and long range matches in 2018 might just indicate pushing NRA out (by pushing them into the more inconvenient dates) was intentional. I've met Johnson. I could see that. They're the competition, not partners. CMP is a business, not an association.

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It's not always politics and money.
It is between CMP and NRA, apparently. That and certain personalities.

None of this is good for the sport.

Atterbury has a few things going for it, from what I've been told:

(1) the matches are scheduled when most of the NG units are training elsewhere.
(2) the facility is far larger than Perry
(3) on-post quarters are much nicer (and cheaper).
(4) the club will be open to civilians

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(5) the command is apparently enthusiastic about getting this.


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Atterbury has a few things going for it, from what I've been told:
I have heard the same things, and so I have softened my position on the issue and am willing to give it a try. If nothing else, for the good of the sport of high power shooting, I hope the move is a huge success for both NRA and CMP. We can't afford the downward attendance trend.

FWIW, we were able to find off-base housing nearby for much less than what it would have cost at Camp Perry.

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FWIW, we were able to find off-base housing nearby for much less than what it would have cost at Camp Perry.
It's not in "Vacation Land".

They apparently have 700 or so available single occupancy rooms (shared bathroom) modern barracks with television and internet for $25/night. I paid that at Camp Perry for a key to the RV bathroom and a campsite.

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What's WRONG with moving to Indiana? Camp Atterbury is much easier to get to than Camp Perry...
It would when you're only an hour long trip up I65...

Atterbury is a major Summer AT post for a number of Guard and Reserve units and CAP holds a monthlong special activites up there that claim over 200 beds. They may have adequate 600 yard KD ranges but they're no way in the same class as Perry and their 1000 yard KD certainly isn't.

NRA and CMP need to kiss and make up. CMP is already hosting "Games" at a half dozen sites across the country already, this whole debacle put the Service teams participation in either/or in jeopardy due to the location split and now its messing with the scheduling of the pistol matches as well. This has the potential for completely destroying competitive rifle and pistol shooting as we know it if they don't get their act together, the both of them!

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Old December 11th, 2016, 05:38 AM   #42
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Fortunately being from WV there are numerous other quality ranges within driving distance of me and even though attended Perry for number of years and enjoyed it, definitely a hassle to gain good quarters and meals while on the base. Malvern, Oh, Quantico, VA, Oak Ridge, TN(favorite range,) and of course WV's own range, Whitehorse which offers ranges to the 1000yd. line and all in between. Motel rooms, eating facilities, etc., all handy to a shooter. Show up on time, present your credentials, and be on the firing line at the appropriate time, no hassle. Last I knew, Camp Perry was the home range for Ohio Rifle Pistol Assoc. and conducted matches there aside from CMP but were NRA registered matches where you could attain NRA classification/ratings. Other than practice at "back yard" ranges would not go to a match that was not a registered match in order to attain higher classification rating as per NRA rules. Since I was investing a fair amount of money in time and travel not to mention ammunition and rifles, wanted to at least gain some recognition of progress in the sport. You start out as a Marksman Unclassified(lowest carbon based life form on the planet,) shoot your way to High Master and having that goal kept me in the game or desire to continue if you will. I could tell some years ago that there was a definite "rift" developing between the CMP and NRA and I am glad the CMP exists but I have to give credit to the NRA as being a strong political voice for gun owners and have no idea where we would be without them. Not sure I can say the same about the CMP?? CMP sells things, guns, ammo, gear, etc. and in fact they have store fronts to do just that. Bottom line for me is that moving from Camp Perry is a big break from a century old tradition for American shooters and yes, it is all about money and politics, not about thousands of dedicated shooters who relish tradition and do not agree with the move to Indiana. That's my story and I am sticking with it.

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