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Old September 6th, 2016, 10:31 PM   #1
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sling adjustment/sight adjustment

I have been praticing my sitting position and i think I about got it for my first match in Capitan NM well second match, but whatever. The only thing I need hep on fellas, is I keep getting my frog in funny positions and have trouble adjusting my sling were should my frog be in the front in relation to my sling swivel. Also i saw a ww2 era marksmanship film were it said to have the the sling swivel and attachment close to the non firing hand. My question is how is that suppose to work in some positions like prone etc when your doing elevation changes with your hands or finding your NPOA. How do i make this work or should i try and make it work. Also my frog seems to be digging into my hand a little bit i prefer not to use a heavy shooting glove. Also my next question regarding slings is this one. Can my 1907 sling be used as a hasty sling as well. Can this be done easily and quickly. Im thinking real world applications here. Can i have the hasty sling for quick use of the sling then transition to the loop style if i feel that time is not of the essence.


Also i have another real world application question. What if i have to shift my sights on a different target quickly and don't want to "muscle it" should i practice on making quick NPOA changes buy moving my butt off the ground. I need help figuring out how to shift from target to target in real life. thanks

Sight adjustment I have NM hooded front sights how do i adjust them i know they are different then normal sights. Im going to be shooting across the course.


Also i zeroed my sights for 200 yards, after I zero my sights do i have to do any adjustments to my sights after that at home. I saw a video of a guy holding his sight in a shop and adjusting them again. ill find the video


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Old September 6th, 2016, 11:52 PM   #2
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Daniel, Firstly, I highly recommend that you invest in some sort of heavy shooting glover. It is necessary if you do not want to endure some level of pain while shooting with the sling. In the real world or competition that simulates real world shooting, you don't really use your sling much at all. You also don't tend to use a sitting position. Prone and kneeling are the most common real world positions and you use supported positions whenever possible. If you need to move to another target, how you do it depends on how close the target is. If it is real close, I move my position somewhat but I tend to muscle the rifle on to target to engage quickly. You don't need extreme accuracy at a close in target. With more distant targets I do shift my position to align with the target. Keep in mind that competition doesn't always mirror real world shooting. Some competition is similar to the real world but some is not. That doesn't mean that you do not enhance skills that are useful in the real world - just keep in mind that everything you do in competition is not applicable to the real world. Rick

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Old September 7th, 2016, 03:33 AM   #3
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Don't adjust for elevation (the small changes you mention for NPOA) by moving your support hand.

Make those small changes by pushing your body forward with your toes, or pulling backwards by your toes. It works. Try it when your down there on the ground in prone.

Pushing forward moves the POA downward and pulling backwards moves the POA upwards.

If you need to make sling adjustments between positions use a sharpie to make a mark on the sling (I only use canvas/nylon web slings - the 1907 sticks to my sweaty arms like it was glued if it's a sunny/warm day and makes getting in/out of it dang near impossible) to help you "find" the same spot every time you have to move it. Just mark a line across the sling where you clamp it down.

I'm lucky. I leave mine in the same spot for all firing positions. Same for my sights/scope.

Remember, you are on a trip of never ending improvement. There's no destination you reach that allows you to stop learning, stop practicing, stop getting better. So keep asking questions, keep picking up and trying out new ideas and keep getting better.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 04:16 AM   #4
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For competition I strongly suggest also that you use a shooters glove for a host of reasons and one is that with the glove this helps raise the rifle a bit(thickness of the glove) and putting the hand/glove up to the front swivel is not the way to do it. This extends your arm in such a manner that it leads to fatigue and less control of the rifle.
Traditional leather slings will work, but find the older cotton web GI sling easiest to use and with practice can adjust while in position without fighting those frogs and moving them to different spots. Unless they have changed the rules, the sling must be attached to the rifle while in standing/off hand, but for the other positions you can fit the sling to your arm, leave it on there and merely remove it from the front swivel when not shooting, it's light and always ready to go for the next position, rapid sitting, rapid prone, and slow fire prone. The folding clamp on these slings grips the sling itself and with practice you will know where it needs to be in the different positions and loosening the clamp and tugging on the "tail" of the sling takes it to the desired position, close clamp and you are there, easy to do. As for your rear sight, once you establish your zero, say 200yds., count the number of clicks to bring it back to bottom/stop and as long as you are using the same ammunition crank it back up to the number needed, say 8,9,10, etc. and you are good to go for the next match/use. Wind is a different matter for that is an unknown until match day, adjust accordingly. The mastering of the rifle in matches will go a long way in helping you be an accurate shooter in whatever situation and the more you practice the more comfortable you are in shooting the rifle. It's a skill and requires discipline as well.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 07:09 AM   #5
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If you are using a loop sling set up, the frog should be nowhere near your hand. There's a loop around your upper arm, a keeper, the frog (hooks) then the other keeper. Take the tail off the rear swivel and put the hooks in one of the last set of holes.

When slung up, use your firing hand to adjust your sights, load, make notes, whatever.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 07:18 AM   #6
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Wear some sort of glove (or mitt) to pad your sling-hand - a leather or padded work glove is OK. And wear long sleeves to protect your elbows - sweatshirt, jacket, something.

About the "NM hooded front sights" - if it's front sight that is hooded and uses aperture inserts then it's not NM - and it is NOT allowed on rifles in the SERVICE RIFLE category - but is fine on a MATCH RIFLE.
If that's what you have, then use it. Choose the aperture insert that gives a view about 2X the size of the aiming black. Center the front aperture with the rear, and concentrate on having the black bull in the center of the front aperture.

It's not unusual for sight settings and sling length to be different for each position. My sling (1907) is 2 holes shorter for sitting than for prone. Practice at home and write-down what sling holes to use.
After firing each string, write-down what 'would have been' the correct rear sight settings, and also if the sling should have been different.

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Old September 7th, 2016, 07:56 PM   #7
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Not EVER going to wear a glove of shooting jacket EVER. I can't stomach it sorry fellas thanks for the advice ill keep going with this discipline minus the mitt and jacket.

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Not EVER going to wear a glove of shooting jacket EVER. I can't stomach it sorry fellas thanks for the advice ill keep going with this discipline minus the mitt and jacket.
Daniel, Please explain why you can't stomach using a shooting glove or shooting jacket. Service rifle competition isn't a tactical shooting discipline so the use of specialized shooting equipment makes sense to me. At the very least, you should use a Mechanix glove and a military jacket with the elbow pad pockets. Rick

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Old September 8th, 2016, 02:06 PM   #9
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Not EVER going to wear a glove of shooting jacket EVER. I can't stomach it sorry fellas thanks for the advice ill keep going with this discipline minus the mitt and jacket.
Well, that explains why our tips and suggestions don't seem to work for you. Maybe 3 gun, heavy metal division, might be something that will be more in line with your shooting style. I do see guys on the line at the 200 yd CMP/Garand matches without coat, gloves, or mats. Most of them start getting some of the mentioned accessories after the 3rd match though. You don't have to get the fancy Creedmoor stuff. Plenty of inexpensive items work well. Old jacket, heavy work glove, and a piece of carpet will suffice (and help you).

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I see Daniel is in El Paso. As someone who is even farther South in Texas I can attest to the fact that a sweat shirt and Cordura shooting jacket makes you fight dehydration by 9:30 AM. Only the most dedicated or self loathing individual puts up with one. They will quickly turn a fun time into shear life threatening misery. Heavy Cordura stinks like hell too as they're not easily laundered.
Gotta put up with a glove but can't abide a jacket. Just have to practice more.

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I see Daniel is in El Paso. As someone who is even farther South in Texas I can attest to the fact that a sweat shirt and Cordura shooting jacket makes you fight dehydration by 9:30 AM. Only the most dedicated or self loathing individual puts up with one. They will quickly turn a fun time into shear life threatening misery. Heavy Cordura stinks like hell too as they're not easily laundered.
Gotta put up with a glove but can't abide a jacket. Just have to practice more.
Flyboy, I fully understand the issue with heat and a heavy shooting jacket. I honestly very seldom use a sweatshirt under my shooting jacket. I understand the advantage but the disadvantage is the risk of getting overheated. If it is warm, I do not put on my shooting jacket too early. If it is hot, I also take it off if there is match delay. If I'm shooting a rifle when a shooting jacket isn't really advantageous but I want to protect my elbows, I use an Army UCP jacket with the rubber elbow pad inserts. The UCP jackets are a little lighter than the newer multicam jackets. Rick

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Fly boy thats cute. Im not going to use a shooting jacket ill use a glove for shooting. I know some of you guys will have trouble understanding, or getting the fact that someone does not want to wear a shooting jacket. Kind of defeats the purpose of shooting a service rifle. Im in this to learn how to use my rifle and treat it like a TRADITIONAL KD range like the Army. I know none of you were probably in the army and did these kind of ranges outside of competition. Any way thanks for the advice on helping me with my shooting positions. And for all the mall ninjas or whatever you guys call them now days 3 years iraq Cav scout, I'm in it to learn it not wear jackets that make no sense. Sorry if that doesn't make any sense.

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Them guys in coats are in it to win it, because the coat helps do just that.

I'll use a glove, but not a coat. Evvv eeerr. I'm no seasoned service shooter, but i go to the local matches and have my fun. Well, I missed this year with a back surgery.

Your hooded rear sight gives you a half minute elevation. Just rotate 180.

Did I read your shooting xtc? If so pointing your toes won't be enough! I don't remember my come ups, but you'll be cranking elevation alot. To the extent that you wear out the tics on the receiver.

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Ok no xtc. Sorry. Xtc goes from 200 to 300 then to 600 is why I said that.

Try a canvas sling if you can't get help with the heavy leather one. I like both, but the leather slings are a little tougher to get adjusted right.

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