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Old August 24th, 2016, 09:06 PM   #1
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Last weekend I did a 200 yard high-power match with my M1A first time i have done a match sense i did this kind of shooting in the military only did 3 ranges likes this the rest pop targets. I got a 248.

Next match is in a month i have to do sitting position, i worked on my prone position 3 times a week for the first match and watched a lot of videos had my wife help me with dry fire and take pictures to examine my prone position.


I need to learn my sitting position next i need some pointers. How should i square myself to the target when sitting what are the fundamentals of the sitting position i need to see a picture of it. Online or something or a get a book to look at. I have been watching videos.


Also for the next match i know I'm going to need to make some sight adjustments. How much do i go up on my elevation when i got from 200 to 300 yards to 600 yards. I have a hooded rear sight.


thanks guys i have a lot to work on before next match dry fire wise.



Edit, I have a Turner all weather sling with no numbers on the slings. How do you guys reccomend me marking my sling, i know there is some adjustment wit the sitting position to the prone position. Also one last thing which sling is a better combat sling the 1907 style of the websling what the pluses and minus to both i have both. I have done some appleseed shoots with them, the all weather sling IS more comfortable. THOUGHTS?

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Old August 24th, 2016, 09:24 PM   #2
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Daniel, A good place to start is to purchase the CMP/USAMU service rifle booklet from the CMP. Good luck! Rick

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Old August 24th, 2016, 10:02 PM   #3
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Ok one last question what position should i use on the sitting position, were should my hand position be.

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Old August 24th, 2016, 10:43 PM   #4
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I always sit "indian style" with my elbows on the sides of my knees..

That's been the best position for me and I actually shoot better in sitting than I do prone.

Once you get in position rock your butt around to get proper natural POI. When you're shooting in sitting the recoil should rock you back and you should rock forward to the exact same position.

Here's my sitting rapid. I'm no expert in HP shooting and I have some thing to work on but this should get you started. You will see me rock back with recoil then come back in the same position, although my head does move around a bit!


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Old August 24th, 2016, 11:01 PM   #5
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I agree with rickgman. The Cmp has a wealth of info on all of the correct positions and the basic marksmanship for highpower. When I got started, I used their book and cd's to learn the basics. I still refer back to them when my scores start to fall. remember have fun!

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Old August 25th, 2016, 05:00 AM   #6
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Books written by Jim Owens goes into the various positions for High Power shooting and available from Fulton Armory I believe, good info. The "come ups" for the ranges are normally as follows: 2-300yds./3moa, 3-600yds./10moa. This will not put you exactly in the 10 or X ring, but get you on paper so to speak then you can adjust accordingly. Loads, weather, sight picture, etc., etc. come into play so needs to be determined for more precise sight adjustments. If you can manage the "indian style" that would be good for it is a stable method. You have other choices such as legs/knees pulled toward you and feet on ground, same but ankles crossed, but both elbows need to be supported on your knee joints for stability. Sling setting will be different for pretty much each position so dry firing and adjusting sling to suit you is important prior to the actual match. Need to determine your natural point of aim in all positions of course. Common practice is to assume the position, take aim, shut eyes for few seconds, look again and see where sight is pointed, swivel body and try again and find the spot that gives the closest picture you are after, post on bulls eye. Method I was taught to give better performance in rapid sitting was to establish a breathing process between each shot. I take 2-3 breaths between each shot and watch that post go up and down and when the last breath is taken catch it in your throat and the sight picture will be back where you want it and break the shot. You have plenty of time even though it seems short a system like this will force you to manage your time and yet give better performance. Truth of the matter is that the rifle with all of it's modifications, accuracy enhancements, etc. is not the important factor, your management of the rifle and developed shooting skills is far more important, the rifle is simply a tool. Would mention that practicing the position and dry firing should be done with the very same clothing, gear, etc. that you plan on using for the match. Even a different sweat shirt, jacket, boots, glove, mat, etc., etc., is a no no for the match, it makes a difference and 60 seconds does not give you time to adjust.
It would be good to have your spotting scope set up where you can merely glance over to see the placement of your first two shots and then you can adjust your sight as needed, you have time if your are organized to do this while in position. Best of luck to you.

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Do a Project Appleseed shoot, also check out their website and blogs. There is FiremanBob there with some excellent tips for all positions. I say all this though as a guy who didn't break 200 on my two Project Appleseed shoots thus far.

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For sitting -
Unbuckle your belt and open the waist - wear suspenders!
If you CAN get into a position with your feet near your butt, have the left leg over the right, and rest the lower part of the left leg on the side of your right foot.
But be sure you can breathe in that position.

To change horizontal NPA , just pivot around on your butt. For vertical, change hand position, and leg placement.

Get your NPA good before firing the first shot.

I wouldn't try to scope your first 2 shots until you can shoot good groups (which might not be ceneter) w/o scoping. Quick scoping is a fairly advanced skill.

Don't try for 'perfect sight picture' - when it looks 'good' SHOOT.
Follow-thru on each shot and breathe.

My sling is usually 1 or 2 holes tighter for sitting than for prone.
My windage also changes between positions. Keep a simple notebook of each shooting session. location, ammo, distance, what 'would have been' the good sight settings in no-wind conditions, sling holes used for each position, Don't bother trying to record every shot, just the basics for now.

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I purchased the books from the CMP store like recommended however i sent to the wrong address.

Also what FM's do you recommend for marksmanship training?


Thanks for all the advice i have been doing dry fire shooting in my house every night for about 15 minutes and watching some videos and reading.


I have gone to several appleseed shoots i may need to go to some more.

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Edit, I have a Turner all weather sling with no numbers on the slings. How do you guys reccomend me marking my sling, i know there is some adjustment wit the sitting position to the prone position. Also one last thing which sling is a better combat sling the 1907 style of the websling what the pluses and minus to both i have both. I have done some appleseed shoots with them, the all weather sling IS more comfortable. THOUGHTS?
I had the Turner AWS and found it took too long to get on during prep (and even longer to get out of) But to mark hole numbers I tried permanent marker, paint marker, etc to no avail. I ended up using a soldering iron tip to melt numbers into the sling. To be honest it looked like a 1st grader learning to write his numbers with a fat crayon, but it worked (shrug).

I will also vouch for Jim Owens books, a great resource. I haven't seen the newer versions, hopefully the drawings and illustrations have been improved on from the old ones, but the the info is great regardless.

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Old August 25th, 2016, 04:19 PM   #11
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Most of the military manuals that I've seen are mainly concerned with effective 'battle shooting' and don't really address the fine points of 'competition shooting'. Yes, the fundamentals are the same, but those are fairly easy to find with basic internet searches (and here!).

You are also try a local library for books on olympic and NRA style smallbore rifle shooting - I've seen a few that are quite good.

Check the CMP site for articles by AMU shooters -
http://thecmp.org/training-tech/shoo...ce-rifle-team/

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Most of the military manuals that I've seen are mainly concerned with effective 'battle shooting' and don't really address the fine points of 'competition shooting'. Yes, the fundamentals are the same, but those are fairly easy to find with basic internet searches (and here!).

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I agree with Jay, military manuals are not really good resources for competitive service rifle shooting.

Keep in mind that in the sitting position, even more so than other positions, what is good for other shooter might not be good for you. Body type plays a big part in determining what will work for you. Some folks are very flexible and thin. They can easily get into positions that an older, overweight shooter can't even dream about getting into. Try various positions and go with what works well for you. The best position is generally the position you can maintain without too much difficulty that is the lowest to the ground. The lower you go, the more stable you are. However, if you are in pain, that won't work well. Avoid using muscle tension to maintain your positions. Rick

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Get on YouTube... There's a video made by the USMC on the fundamentals. It's an older video but covers all the positions. Also, I would get a leather sling. It's so much easier to work with than the aws.

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I had the Turner AWS and found it took too long to get on during prep (and even longer to get out of) But to mark hole numbers I tried permanent marker, paint marker, etc to no avail. I ended up using a soldering iron tip to melt numbers into the sling. To be honest it looked like a 1st grader learning to write his numbers with a fat crayon, but it worked (shrug).

I will also vouch for Jim Owens books, a great resource. I haven't seen the newer versions, hopefully the drawings and illustrations have been improved on from the old ones, but the the info is great regardless.
What about a leather stamping set heated up.


Im not going to buy another sling I'm going to have to make due with the all weather sling. We have a few good shooters that are very happy with it

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