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Old December 20th, 2016, 06:50 PM   #46
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NightFisher posed these links earlier, they still work. Each stage is shot with 10 rounds at 25 meters.

As memory serves:
--1st stage is slow standing (can't remember time limit, 5 or 10 mins?).

--4th stage is slow prone (again can't remember time limit). Two shots into the 1st and 2nd targets, 3 shots into the 3rd and 4th.
Two minutes and five minutes respectively.

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Old December 20th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #47
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Stage 2 is 55 seconds.
Stage 3 is 65 seconds.

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Old December 21st, 2016, 06:44 AM   #48
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The Shooting Gallery show on TV did an episode on Appleseed a few years ago:

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Old December 21st, 2016, 09:46 AM   #49
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Two minutes and five minutes respectively.

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Stage 2 is 55 seconds.
Stage 3 is 65 seconds.
Thanks guys... couldn't remember the exact times.

I've updated my post with the correct times for future reference.

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Is Fred still requiring his volunteers to sign loyalty oaths to him?
I didn't. Wouldn't have taken the orange hat if that would have been the case. I haven't been forced to go anywhere or do anything either and if they tired they would get the hat back. The people I've dealt with have been appreciative if you can make it to an event but no questions asked if you don't.

And there are lots of other good targets you can print off from the Appleseed forum than just the AQT ones.

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I'm an Appleseed Shoot Boss... all I ever really wanted to be was the oldest Orange Hat in Louisiana when I started. It's a great program and well worth the time we devote to it and the participants. I just wish we could fill the lines at every shoot.

If you got a new rifle for Christmas find an Appleseed near you and reduce your chances of putting an eye out...


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Old December 31st, 2016, 01:49 PM   #52
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I'm an Appleseed Shoot Boss... all I ever really wanted to be was the oldest Orange Hat in Louisiana when I started. It's a great program and well worth the time we devote to it and the participants. I just wish we could fill the lines at every shoot.

If you got a new rifle for Christmas find an Appleseed near you and reduce your chances to putting an eye out...

I am in fact, the oldest Orange Hat in Arkansas! I've been a part of Appleseed/RWVA for nearly ten years now. Also one of only two who is KD qualified in Arkansas, but I'm a former High Power competitor too.

I'm fine with helping/coaching our students on the line and doing anything else I can do to help. I am now assisting a Shoot Boss who was one of the people I helped train to achieve their "Rifleman Patch"!

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Appleseed instructor here also. We appreciate whatever time and effort a volunteer can do for the program.

The COF is a modified across the course match. Mostly modified in time constraints and transitions in rapid fire. The final stage at 400 yards is fired with 10 rounds instead of 20, the score gets doubled on the 10.

Main thing is to have a clean, reliable rifle for the day or weekend. You do not need to go buy or build a rifle to take the class. The only thing I've seen that was extremely awkward that one student used was a break barrel single shot.

I wouldn't advise practicing for your first shoot as you may be doing things wrong, which is what Appleseed is trying to fix! Just have your rifle sighted to hit a target at 25 yards/meters, do some stretching before the weekend and you will be all set to go.

Bring the rifle you have, as that's the one you will be using after the weekend is done. Some events may have a loaner rifle to use and if your rifle is holding you back one may be available for use. I recommend a 22 for Saturday and if a centerfire rifle can be used save it for part of Sunday.

Get the fundamentals down first, you will utilize what you have learned at your home range any time with any rifle later.

FWIW a couple of newer guys that have become instructors have stated that qualifying Rifleman on the 25M AQT is tougher than shooting hi power.

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Appleseed instructor here also. We appreciate whatever time and effort a volunteer can do for the program.

FWIW a couple of newer guys that have become instructors have stated that qualifying Rifleman on the 25M AQT is tougher than shooting hi power.
That might be so for those who are below Sharpshooter in High Power, but Sharpshooter and above, I don't believe that would be the case. In my experience anyhow.

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FWIW a couple of newer guys that have become instructors have stated that qualifying Rifleman on the 25M AQT is tougher than shooting hi power.
I agree I shoot XTC and I think an AQT is harder. The AQT target is printed in what I like to call invisible gray (I just can't see the darn things very well)... in NRA XTC you get to start in position for rapid fire, only shoot at a single target, and have more time to shoot the string.

Also as "30calflash" said bring what you want learn how to shoot... but there's a good chance one or all of the the instructors has a loaner rifle(s) appropriate to shoot an AQT.


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I've seen the 25 meter targets and the course of fire knock the wind out of more than one experienced shooter's sails. I've seen them not get sympathy for their complaints on the RWVA forum and then go to other forums and complain.

It's a lot easier to shoot 10 rounds at a single target than to shift your point of aim from one target to another. It takes a certain amount of time, even if you're a practiced shooter, to regain NPOA going from one target to the next. Learning to shift your aim the proper way isn't hard, you've just got to do it right and practice and that speeds things up.

Wanna try to make it harder? Instead of shooting 2, 2, 3 & 3 on the last stage, shoot one round on each target, go back to the left target, shoot one round on each target, go to the 3rd target shoot one round, one on the 4th target and then repeat on the last two targets for the last two shots. Adding the number of moves/rounds on the targets will tell you something about your NPOA abilities/experience. It's fun to see how it works out for you. You could do it on a red coat target, too. That adds vertical target adjustment into the mix, too.

Hey, practice if fun, right!

I was never an orange hat. I think when I started (2nd ever RBC at Ramseur) they hadn't come up with the idea of orange hats yet. Man, that was almost 11 years ago now.

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As 4570 and geeck posted above, I think the NPOA shifts are the make or break for most shooters as many of them just WON'T DO IT! They fiddle around and fudge it but there's nothing like doing it the right way.

More difficult for 'new' HP shooters but it can be a wake up call for almost anyone serious about firing their rifle in field positions and time frames.

The 'invisible gray' probably more of an issue with 40+ YO eyeballs and/or running with sights and having an overcast day or dark covered firing line.

FWIW I went to my first 'seed almost 9 years ago, almost fired the Rifleman score the first day with a bolt 22. Made it the second outing but I also had an expert card in HP!

You can always learn something if you are open to suggestion.....

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I agree I shoot XTC and I think an AQT is harder. The AQT target is printed in what I like to call invisible gray (I just can't see the darn things very well)... in NRA XTC you get to start in position for rapid fire, only shoot at a single target, and have more time to shoot the string.

Also as "30calflash" said bring what you want learn how to shoot... but there's a good chance one or all of the the instructors has a loaner rifle(s) appropriate to shoot an AQT.
My son and I shot an Appleseed KD in Tennessee back in September, everyone present was Rifleman qualified on the reduced course and most were instructors as well.

The KD targets were just single full sized D targets from 100 to 400 yards. We scored on a hits count, which meant you had to have at least 40 hits to qualify.
My son and I were the only two present to qualify. Both of us are experienced KD shooters.

Yes, the reduced course is no picnic and the Rifleman patch is a worthy prize to pursue, but I don't see how it is harder than a High Power match, that is unless you're just counting your hits in the black and don't care about your score!

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