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Old October 3rd, 2016, 07:41 PM   #31
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I also noticed that the CMP Range in Talladega Alabama also hosts Appleseed events now which is a great idea.
https://appleseedinfo.org/search-sta...tename=Alabama

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Old October 30th, 2016, 08:45 PM   #32
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I also noticed that the CMP Range in Talladega Alabama also hosts Appleseed events now which is a great idea.
https://appleseedinfo.org/search-sta...tename=Alabama
I shot an Appleseed Known Distance shoot at CMP Talladega Marksmanship Park in May of this year.
It was fantastic with the ease of having their electronic target scoring.
It was also very challenging, I did not earn a rocker for my patches.
But am now confident and consistent shooting my M1A with iron sights out to 600 yards.

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Old November 1st, 2016, 07:09 AM   #33
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Appleseed marksmanship training is excellent! I did it in 2011, missed rifleman by 3 points and would have gone back and done it again had every instructor in Kansas and a good many elsewhere not quit that fall. Let's just say Fred's instructor turnover is a fluid situation based on Fred's management of the program and leave it at that. They've just recently got a Red HAt certified in the Southeast part of the state after all these years so I might do it again.

The Revwar lessons? Hmm, some of what they said in the course runs contrary to Christopher Ward's research, which is still referenced to by historians even though Ward passed in 1943. The timeline of April 19 taught seems to be historically accurate, however.

My recommendation? Do it. Shoot for your rifleman badge, have fun, enjoy the revwar stories but if they start talking to you about becoming a volunteer instructor run away like a scared little girl.
Just attended my 3rd Seed, shot RM again, making it 3:3.
Shot an AS KD in May in which I learned an incredible amount of information pertaining to spotting/ranging targets, reading and compensating for winds, mirage reading and shooting out to 600 yards.

I've been to NRA, CMP and private courses, none hold a candle to RWVA Appleseed. Not even the US military trains a soldier so well in basic Marksmanship.

I've enjoyed myself so much, learned so much, that I felt compelled to join RWVA as an Orange Hat instructor in training and pay it forward.

Don't let internal politics ruin a good thing.

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Good for you. This is what Appleseed is REALLY about, teaching others.

Internal politics. James said something about the selfish desire that wars within us that causes fights and conflict and all manner of relational erosion.

Sometimes Freedom and Liberty means giving folks space to believe as they feel and not pretend we own them or that they are on a different team unless they have the same football team on the side of their helmet.

All we can do is model wholeness. Thanks for being a volunteer.

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Just attended my 3rd Seed, shot RM again, making it 3:3.
Shot an AS KD in May in which I learned an incredible amount of information pertaining to spotting/ranging targets, reading and compensating for winds, mirage reading and shooting out to 600 yards.

I've been to NRA, CMP and private courses, none hold a candle to RWVA Appleseed. Not even the US military trains a soldier so well in basic Marksmanship.

I've enjoyed myself so much, learned so much, that I felt compelled to join RWVA as an Orange Hat instructor in training and pay it forward.

Don't let internal politics ruin a good thing.

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Old November 7th, 2016, 02:15 PM   #35
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Appleseed is a great way to spend a weekend, as many of you know, and meet some nice folks. I've shot several. I've used a 10/22, national match ar, and full know distance with my m14. Earned my patch with the ar although my all time best is with my 10/22 and even failed to get one round off during that one due to a jam. Pick any rifle you can safely and comfortably shoot and afford to feed. Mag feed semi auto will make your life easier. You don't need match ammo for this type of shooting, surplus ammo works great, especially given most of the shooting is at 25 meters. I ran 55 grain FMJ all weekend through my match ar and the misses weren't the fault of the rifle/ammo. I took an orange hat this year too. I figured that at the least I could donate some time to "pay back" the time others offered while I was shooting. I wish the events were closer, it's a decent drive to get there.

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I did one with my M1A. While I did not make rifleman, I learned more in that weekend than I have in probably the last six months. The techniques they taught have stuck with me and greatly helped my competition shooting. I would recommend this to anyone, beginner or veteran! You can watch videos/etc online but nothing compares to having that immediate feedback in person.

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I have done several a year since 2013, and earned my Rifleman's patch the first time in April 2014.

We are lucky to have a great bunch of instructors here in western PA/ eastern OH.

My son and I both plan on stepping up and becoming orange hats after he finishes high school in a few years.

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Just attended my 3rd Seed, shot RM again, making it 3:3.
Shot an AS KD in May in which I learned an incredible amount of information pertaining to spotting/ranging targets, reading and compensating for winds, mirage reading and shooting out to 600 yards.

I've been to NRA, CMP and private courses, none hold a candle to RWVA Appleseed. Not even the US military trains a soldier so well in basic Marksmanship.

I've enjoyed myself so much, learned so much, that I felt compelled to join RWVA as an Orange Hat instructor in training and pay it forward.

Don't let internal politics ruin a good thing.
Like I said, I'd do it again if they were holding shoots closer to my AO, but after seeing how the previous instructors were treated and the demands placed on them its no wonder we haven't had an AS program here for the past 4-5 years until recently. Is Fred still requiring his volunteers to sign loyalty oaths to him? Between that, misrepresentations about RWVA carrying liability insurance coverage on the instructors and not getting fully reimbursed for match expenses were the big reasons all the "Hats" quit in Kansas.

Sorry, couldn't pay me to volunteer to instruct for AS and I have both NRA rifle and RSO certifications.

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Like I said, I'd do it again if they were holding shoots closer to my AO, but after seeing how the previous instructors were treated and the demands placed on them its no wonder we haven't had an AS program here for the past 4-5 years until recently. Is Fred still requiring his volunteers to sign loyalty oaths to him? Between that, misrepresentations about RWVA carrying liability insurance coverage on the instructors and not getting fully reimbursed for match expenses were the big reasons all the "Hats" quit in Kansas.

Sorry, couldn't pay me to volunteer to instruct for AS and I have both NRA rifle and RSO certifications.
That stupid stuff is still going on? I had similar issues, games being played with reimbursements for gas money (get's old after 3 or 4 attempts to get something you were promised) and the loyalty oath thing (gotta send a PM stating you'll do what ever they say, go where ever they tell you to go, do what ever jobs they tell you to do, etc., etc. or lose "certain privileges". Seemed kind of sad after spending all that time learning about why the colonists rebelled against the British, then be treated poorly by the leadership/minions.

Having said all that, if you get the chance to attend, it's still some great training. And you'll meet lots of good people with similar beliefs to your own - if you're the type to attend one.

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That stupid stuff is still going on? I had similar issues, games being played with reimbursements for gas money (get's old after 3 or 4 attempts to get something you were promised) and the loyalty oath thing (gotta send a PM stating you'll do what ever they say, go where ever they tell you to go, do what ever jobs they tell you to do, etc., etc. or lose "certain privileges". Seemed kind of sad after spending all that time learning about why the colonists rebelled against the British, then be treated poorly by the leadership/minions.
In September 2011 Kansas had about 20 Instructors and IIT's across the state, by December they had 0. The few AS shoots they've had in the past couple of years Fred himself had to come in and Red Hat for them. It's only been in the past few months has RWVA gained a single instructor for the entire state.

One of the other sticking points for AS instructors was liability insurance and the lack thereof provided by RWVA. Apparently the instructors were lead to believe RWVA had liability insurance covering them. A couple months before I shot my AS they had an IIT injured on the line when she caught some shrapnel from a ruptured case on the line and required surgery. That's when the instructors found out RWVA left them hanging in the breeze liability wise.

His minions are something else. After all the AS instructors quit here his Midwest coordinator tried to sandbag the owners of the range they used in Eureka, KS in order to continue AS shoots using Instructors brought in from other states. They got shown the door in short order. Then there were the ones who were scouring the Internet and social media for any Instructor who didn't completely chug Fred's Flavr Aid. Any instructor found not completely toeing Fred's line was removed from RWVA.

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Having said all that, if you get the chance to attend, it's still some great training. And you'll meet lots of good people with similar beliefs to your own - if you're the type to attend one.
Completely agree. Great program concept,despite the management.

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What rifle to use?

If you have a rifle, bring it. Bolt gun, lever, semi-auto doesn't matter. You'll learn a lot about breath and trigger control, position shooting and so on.

Now, if you also want to earn a patch it would be a lot easier with a magazine fed semi-auto.

I've been to three and used a 10/22 for all. I wasn't a bad shot already so qualified on my first one with irons, used a scope for the other two just to see how I could do. Shot 245 out of 250 on the last one, on a miserably cold, wet and windy November day.

If you do as much practice as you should your stock might get a little beat up. I refinished mine this year, and I think it came out OK:
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Anyone know where you can get the download to print your own Appleseed targets?

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NightFisher posed these links earlier, they still work. Each stage is shot with 10 rounds at 25 meters.

As memory serves:
--1st stage is slow standing (2 minute time limit).
--2nd stage is rapid sitting or kneeling (55 seconds with a magazine change - 2 rounds & 8 rounds). Five rounds go in each target.
--3rd stage is rapid prone (65 seconds with a magazine change - 2 rounds & 8 rounds). Three shots in 1st and 2nd target, 4 shots into the 3rd.
--4th stage is slow prone (5 minute time limit). Two shots into the 1st and 2nd targets, 3 shots into the 3rd and 4th.

Shoot all 40 shots and add up your score. Stage 4 points are doubled. If you shot a 42 across all 10 shots, its scored as 84. Total possible is 250. A 210 or better is the "Rifleman" category.

Almost forgot to mention, stages 2 and 3 start from a standing position at the Appleseed matches. So when time starts, you transition from standing into your sitting/kneeling or prone position, then start shooting, perform magazine change, shoot the rest of the shots into the correct target, and get it all done within the time limit.

Its a fun course of fire and will help sharpen you up, even shooing at only 25 meters.

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Anyone know where you can get the download to print your own Appleseed targets?
Send me your address and I'll happily send you several AQTs and Redcoats.
Free of charge, Merry Christmas!

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NightFisher posed these links earlier, they still work. Each stage is shot with 10 rounds at 25 meters.

As memory serves:
--1st stage is slow standing (can't remember time limit, 5 or 10 mins?).
--2nd stage is rapid sitting or kneeling (60 seconds with a magazine change - 2 rounds & 8 rounds). Five rounds go in each target.
--3rd stage is rapid prone (70 seconds with a magazine change - 2 rounds & 8 rounds). Three shots in 1st and 2nd target, 4 shots into the 3rd.
--4th stage is slow prone (again can't remember time limit). Two shots into the 1st and 2nd targets, 3 shots into the 3rd and 4th.

Shoot all 40 shots and add up your score. Stage 4 points are doubled. If you shot a 42 across all 10 shots, its scored as 84. Total possible is 250. A 210 or better is the "Rifleman" category.

Almost forgot to mention, stages 2 and 3 start from a standing position at the Appleseed matches. So when time starts, you transition from standing into your sitting/kneeling or prone position, then start shooting, perform magazine change, shoot the rest of the shots into the correct target, and get it all done within the time limit.

Its a fun course of fire and will help sharpen you up, even shooing at only 25 meters.
Kind of neat that the rounds fit the M1 Garand in stages 2 and 3 (for the reload). Start with 2 then insert another 8 round clip to finish. Prior to that it was two five round clips in the days of the 03 Springfield and M1917 (yes, the course of fire goes quite a ways back, as does the skills/methods they teach.) Equally neat that knowledge/skills in use 100 years ago still work today, just as well as they did then.

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