Seen Service Rifle Optics on the Line? - M14 Forum

M14 Forum


Seen Service Rifle Optics on the Line?

This is a discussion on Seen Service Rifle Optics on the Line? within the Rifle Competition forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; Now that we're partially into the '16 rule changes, who has seen what on the line? Obviously, they'd all have to be under 4.5x. I've ...


Go Back   M14 Forum > Rifle Forum > Rifle Competition

130Thanks
Reply
 
LinkBack Moderator Tools Display Modes

Old May 4th, 2016, 05:21 AM   #1
Scout Sniper
 
JoshN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sunnyvale, Tx.
Posts: 784

Awards Showcase

Seen Service Rifle Optics on the Line?

Now that we're partially into the '16 rule changes, who has seen what on the line? Obviously, they'd all have to be under 4.5x. I've seen Nightforce, Vortex, Bushnell variables, Leupold and some older fixed low power scopes. Some guys using older turrets making it work and some guys were spinning like crazy the modern turrets. Also noticed not everyone uses the tacticool 1 piece mounts but instead some 1913 pic rings.

I'm still not sure if the scores were actually any better in off-hand ......but slow-prone, how could they not be better right?

JoshN is offline  
Remove Ads
Old May 4th, 2016, 05:39 AM   #2
Old Salt
 
Killashrub's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Polk County, Florida
Posts: 1,071
I would think overall it would be better.

Killashrub is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 10:48 AM   #3
Master Gunner
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Deplorable area of CA
Posts: 935
I have seen a few scopes here and there. I have not seen any evidence that scores went up dramatically or otherwise.

Tim

Thanks from JoshN
timrb is online now  
 
Old May 4th, 2016, 11:18 AM   #4
Squad Leader
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 288
Our first competition isn't till next weekend. I personally think that the guys with poor eye sight are the most likely competitors to see "noticeable or better" improvement in scores.

beeks is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 11:25 AM   #5
Platoon Sergeant
 
idriller's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 362
I seen a couple of optcs at the last High Powered match I went to. They didnt really post any better scores, most complained it highlighted there wobble more.

Thanks from JoshN
idriller is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 11:45 AM   #6
Dodgin' The Reaper
 
danthman114's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Yuma, Az
Posts: 5,120
all you have to do to see if the higher scores with optics experiment worked is look at the marine corps. when they first started issuing them, marines who couldn't get expert were now getting expert. the only drawback is that the acog didn't have a windage dial.
a good example was in Iraq. there was a marine unit that went under investigation for possibly executing the enemy. it turns out that they were scoring headshots from longer ranges...

all I see with this is people earning medals faster...

danthman114 is online now  
Old May 4th, 2016, 12:17 PM   #7
Banned Camp
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: north carolina
Posts: 1,588
Its all fun and games till the optics fail...then its rifleman skills...skills that haven't changed in a 100 years. I for one like optics...its GI issue now...use it BUT...BUT you better know how to shoot iron if you want to stay alive.

Thanks from NYCSTRIPES and Circlehook
howardhuges is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 01:08 PM   #8
Super Moderator
 
geeck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: SE Louisiana
Posts: 2,637
If you couldn't break a shot good shot before optics... you won't do with Carl Zeiss glass. For people who are blind in one eye and can't see out the other (like me) glass will help. The magnification will help make you build a better position and NPOA. For long time Iron shooters it's a journey. My first match with glass last week I kept turning the the windage the wrong DARN way. Muscle memory kept telling my fingers "Right Away" (as in turn the iron windage knob away from me for to move POI right) only problem was most scopes, right is towards you. Then I struggled to get the black 1moa dot in the middle of the 6moa aiming black. Next match I'm dialing 3moa down and trying a 6 o'c hold.

A good scope is a must, an XTC match is a tough test for any optic. Dialing up & down / back & forth, and doing consistently is asking a lot of most of the junk on the market today.

Thanks from siefly, nf1e, TRW1964 and 1 others
geeck is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 01:13 PM   #9
Automatic Rifleman
 
Jim W's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: USA
Posts: 154
Quote:
Originally Posted by danthman114 View Post

all I see with this is people earning medals faster...
You say that like it's a problem?

Jim W is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 04:24 PM   #10
Old Salt
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 1,003
Gentlemen, Let us not confuse increased proficiency on a qualification course or in combat with increased proficiency in a rifle match. Optics do help measurably when dealing with E-type targets on a pop-up course (which has some similarities to combat shooting). Some optics will likely help some shooters at longer ranges at rifle matches but some optics (including the ACOG) will be a hinderance. For optics to function well in a match, the reticle design much be compatible with precision shooting and the windage and elevation adjustments need to be robust and repeatable. Rick

Thanks from geeck
rickgman is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 05:17 PM   #11
Scout Sniper
 
JoshN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Sunnyvale, Tx.
Posts: 784

Awards Showcase

Quote:
Originally Posted by rickgman View Post
Gentlemen, Let us not confuse increased proficiency on a qualification course or in combat with increased proficiency in a rifle match. Optics do help measurably when dealing with E-type targets on a pop-up course (which has some similarities to combat shooting). Some optics will likely help some shooters at longer ranges at rifle matches but some optics (including the ACOG) will be a hinderance. For optics to function well in a match, the reticle design much be compatible with precision shooting and the windage and elevation adjustments need to be robust and repeatable. Rick
Especially when you have to bang an ACOG with your hand after an adjustment's made. You'll be chasing your tail for sure then.... Been there at distance.

JoshN is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 05:32 PM   #12
Scout Sniper
 
Wolley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: South of Houston
Posts: 762
Built an A4 service rifle and used a Weaver Classic Extreme 1-4.5. It didn't pick me up much at 200 or 300. 600, however, has come up 12 points for 20 rounds(I'm old and getting blind).
I have found that I have to beat the snot outta this scope when changing elevation or it doesn't go where I tell it. I don't touch the windage as I can now see well enough to hold off when needed.
Not gonna help me get leg points though. For whatever reason I have fought standing since day one and have never gotten any better at it.

Thanks from Bamban and JoshN
Wolley is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 06:47 PM   #13
Old Salt
 
CHARLIED308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Illinois
Posts: 1,480
One of my shooting buddies shot a High Power Match with an optic at a local reduced distance match and he was walking on air. He said he topped his best score by 21 points.

Thanks from JoshN
CHARLIED308 is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 07:14 PM   #14
Old Salt
 
smoothy8500's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: San Clemente, California
Posts: 1,400
We shot at MCB Pendleton last week-end and my shoooting partner was trying his scope upper. Leupold "Patrol" scope. He said it helped him call his shots. Score didn't do much improvement, but he knew where it was going when he broke the shot.

Thanks from JoshN
smoothy8500 is offline  
Old May 4th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #15
Lifer
 
Bamban's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 4,839

Awards Showcase

The scope will reveal all the ills of your shooting; position, shot execution, follow-through, etc. The scope is not the answer to everything, you can still crossfire if you are not paying like me. I was on a roll for a 195 at 1000 yards when I crossfired, finshed with a 185

Thanks from siefly, NYCSTRIPES and nf1e
Bamban is offline  
Reply

  M14 Forum > Rifle Forum > Rifle Competition

Moderator Tools
Display Modes


Similar M14 Forum Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A good read on the T44E4/M14 I stumbled on to hytekrednek The M14 14 April 20th, 2016 12:22 PM
Obama signed it. CMP to sell 1911's MontanaLon Handguns 168 January 30th, 2016 10:56 PM
The M14-THE U.S. ARMY'S BLUNDERBUSS BUNGLE THAT FATTENED YOUR TAXES kenhil2 The M14 76 March 20th, 2013 03:41 PM
From SOCOM to match grade? CaneCorso85 The M14 12 September 22nd, 2011 07:40 AM



Top Gun Sites Top Sites List