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This is a discussion on Cmp/nra service rifles with scopes? within the Rifle Competition forums, part of the Rifle Forum category; Originally Posted by Wolley Limiting the scope power to 4.5 means the hard holders with good eyes can still win shooting irons. What's not to ...


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Old January 5th, 2016, 12:16 PM   #91
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Limiting the scope power to 4.5 means the hard holders with good eyes can still win shooting irons. What's not to like?

I don't know.... Maybe increasing the size of the target and the X-ring by 4.5 times!

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Old January 5th, 2016, 12:49 PM   #92
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It has evolved tremendously over the years.
Not this rapidly. That's part of the problem. They're turning a whole bunch of knobs at once and hoping for the best. That's the "monkeys with typewriters" method of rule creation.

Yes, there's no completely-level playing field, but the 2015 SR rules were more level than 2016. We all shoot what we shoot for different reasons.

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I am really sorry that you feel so bad about this change but each of us has to select what types of shooting make us happy and I hope you find what makes you happy. Rick
I'm thinking Palma. It's the only centerfire irons-only sport left, that I can think of. Well, NRA match rifle - at this moment - still is.

NRA Week needs more competitors, anyway.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:12 PM   #93
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Missilegeek, I heard from an oldtimer that when they went from '03's to M1's, it was quite a change, too. Many of the oldtimers considered the M1's to be "bullet squirters" and bemoaned the fact that shooters didn't any longer have to master bolt manipulation while trying to maintain position in rapid fire. Optical sights are simply part of the evolution of service rifles. Good luck! Rick

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:33 PM   #94
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Optical sights are simply part of the evolution of service rifles.
Well, when was the last time the Army taught the sling as a shooting support?

What's next? Bipods in prone?

This is a race to the bottom, IMHO.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:36 PM   #95
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In 1984 they didn't teach slinging for support at Ft Benning, so it has been at least 35 years.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #96
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In 1984 they didn't teach slinging for support at Ft Benning, so it has been at least 35 years.
The M16 sling was always marginal for that, at best.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:45 PM   #97
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I find it interesting to see how quickly some people will defeat themselves. Nobody here has even shot a single match under the new rules but have vowed to never shoot again, the rules might not even affect the group of shooters you are around.
The way I see it not one of these changes affects the most important part to getting Distinguished points, your shooting. Some here are overly concerned and defeating themselves because of what some other shooters might do? The worst match score I ever put up while chasing points was because I was worrying about what an 18 year old from another state was going to do, I defeated myself before I even made one shot that day. If I may be so bold as to suggest what works, improve your shooting so you can put up a 480 in not perfect match conditions and you will do fine.
I remember being around a guy that shot the M1A in a field of AR shooters, I never heard him whine once about being at a disadvantage using navy issued M118LR ammo, which didn't shoot well compared to M852, instead he just practiced until he shot 480's in not easy conditions. He won gold eic medals and became Distinguished in 3 years.

Just trying to motivate you to focus on what matters, practice. Your shooting and how you handle match conditions is what earns eic points.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 01:49 PM   #98
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I find it interesting to see how quickly some people will defeat themselves.
If what attracted me to SR in the first place no longer exists, well....

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If what attracted me to SR in the first place no longer exists, well....
How many points do you have?

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Old January 5th, 2016, 02:07 PM   #100
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how many points do you have?
20. I may finish the badge at local matches before going to match rifle. I can really only vote with my wallet/time and there are other shooting sports.

I liked the idea that we all had to adapt to a specific platform. That is what attracted me in the first place. Now, for the nearly-anything-goes optic rifle described in CMP's statements on the subject, that is no longer the case.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 02:16 PM   #101
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20! for crying out loud, you have far too much skin in the game to quit over a silly rule change. Focus on what matters, your front sight, and overcome this new little bump and laugh about it all afterward. Every Distinguished shooter I know has overcome some bumps, that is what makes it worth it.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 02:20 PM   #102
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20! for crying out loud, you have far too much skin in the game to quit over a silly rule change. Focus on what matters, your front sight, and overcome this new little bump and laugh about it all afterward. Every Distinguished shooter I know has overcome some bumps, that is what makes it worth it.
Quit? I'll still shoot XTC. I'm just not that enthusiastic to continue shooting CMP's version and I'm not sure the Badge is worth as much as it was. At least to me.

I don't see this as just a little rule change, but a fundamental transformation that removes "sight alignment" as one of the fundamentals.

I fully expect the rules to be a mess, when published, and to go far beyond what they've stated so far. Anderson did say "all this will change in 2016".

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Quit? I'll still shoot XTC. I'm just not that enthusiastic to continue shooting CMP's version and I'm not sure the Badge is worth as much as it was. At least to me.

I don't see this as just a little rule change, but a fundamental transformation that removes "sight alignment" as one of the fundamentals.

I fully expect the rules to be a mess, when published, and to go far beyond what they've stated so far. Anderson did say "all this will change in 2016".
"not worth as much as it was" ......I guess if that is how you feel, all I can say is you should probably quit. That will show the CMP who 's the better shooter.

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Old January 5th, 2016, 02:37 PM   #104
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"not worth as much as it was" ......I guess if that is how you feel, all I can say is you should probably quit. That will show the CMP who 's the better shooter.
I've never been in this to show the CMP anything. There a lot of good shooters without the Badge and there are a lot of less-than-good shooters with the Badge. There are other things to pursue in this game.

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Robert and Missilegeek, I feel that everyone has a more or less unique motivation to participate in target sports. For some it is recognition (a badge or classification), for others it is to help hone skills for combat, self protection or hunting and for yet others is it simply to get away from the daily grind and enjoy shooting with friends. If someone like Missilegeek no longer finds satisfaction in some specific competition venue (for whateer reason), then it is best to seek a new venue that will refresh his motivation. Besides, one can change one's mind and return if that's what he wants. Just my two cents worth. Rick

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