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Old January 3rd, 2016, 08:47 PM   #61
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What is a popular scope people are levitating towards? When in Rome! I guess I now know how I am going to configure the next build lol. I have a flat top and a A2 and two stripped lowers. Like to have spares laying around.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:05 AM   #62
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What is a popular scope people are levitating towards? When in Rome! I guess I now know how I am going to configure the next build lol. I have a flat top and a A2 and two stripped lowers. Like to have spares laying around.
The Nightforce 1 - 4X 24mm scope is probably the very best option but a more cost effective option is the Leupold 1.5 - 4X Mark AR Mod 1 scope. Rick

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Old January 4th, 2016, 06:22 AM   #63
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What types of scores did he shoot with irons?
About the same, but this is the most Xs he shot and the groups are tighter, but not having solid zeros and the scope adjustments not as good as irons, being one of the shortcomings of most offerings out there, coupled with the first match with one, and switching mirage, he was not exactly centered. There were a few leakers out of the X ring.

And he jerked a couple or so- shot execution is still the king.

One thing he mentioned after the match that he can see the changing mirage in rapids that he favored just a little to try to stay in the X ring. Another after the match debrief - the scope is a great aid in troubleshooting one's unexplained shots previously encountered with irons and even minor shooting infraction like developing a cant as you run through the rapid string.

He is an excellent standing shooter who normally shoots in the mid 190s with irons, with the scope he struggled with the first 10, but on the 2nd string he shot 98-3, about what he shoots with irons.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 08:46 AM   #64
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What is a popular scope people are levitating towards? When in Rome! I guess I now know how I am going to configure the next build lol. I have a flat top and a A2 and two stripped lowers. Like to have spares laying around.
On the national match forums...

I've seen several folks going with the Leopold VX-R (some with customizations, some not), a few going with the Leopold hog scope, myself and one other with the Mark AR Mod 1 with firedot reticle, one with at the SWFA 1-4x, and couple folks with the Vortex PST. Of course, there are a more than a few who are either going to keep shooting irons, switch to match rifle, or simply stop competing, but I get the idea that a few of the older guys might come back to service rifle now that vision issues will be less of a problem.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #65
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So ...... Is this for the CMP only or the NRA high power too?

Like I said before, Im ok with it as long as they're in a different class.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 01:08 PM   #66
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Technically, the CMP makes it's own rules and the NRA does too, but part of the NRA rules basically says that whatever the CMP considers to be a service rifle, we too consider that to be a service rifle as well. See rule chapter 3.1, paragraph E.

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(e) Any rifle or modified rifle not covered by NRA Rule 3.1, but permitted by CMP Rules is considered a service rifle in NRA sanctioned competition.
That could change once the new CMP rulebook drops, but if the NRA does nothing... well, that rule answers your question.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 01:24 PM   #67
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A friend who is an excellent shooter went out to Talladega with his service rifle with optics. He shot this 10 shot group at 300 yards
I went out a couple days before for practice. I was confirming my 300 yard zero. I bobbled my second shot and after the fifth I decided that I was zeroed.
I don't think iron sight are done yet.
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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:27 PM   #68
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100-4X isn't something to sneeze at with irons!

I think the alibi rules had to go hand in hand with the scope rules. Imagine the effect of having so many guys playing Nintendo on their rifles, only to look for a way out.

I'd like to stick with irons, but would also like to add about 1" to the length of the buttstock to save my lenses from scratching on the rear sight block. Wonder if the new rules will allow some flexibility in that regard?

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As far as I know, the adjustable length butt stocks are going to be allowed and I have hard time believing that they would make a rule that says you can't use that type of butt stock unless you're shooting optics. The trick will be finding one that can adjust past the length of a standard A2 stock, which is basically as long as my adjustable stock fully extended.

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Old January 4th, 2016, 02:41 PM   #70
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The only one I have seen so far, is mentioned by John at WOA.

Magpul UBR, has a trap for some weight and is rock solid by their description. Has an 1/2" extra length over an A2. Which may be just enough to keep me happy.

"The Magpul UBR stock is the perfect upgrade to your service rifle. The UBR is a heavy duty stock with 7 positions at .56” intervals and it extends ” longer than an A2 Stock. The UBR is also one of the heaviest adjustable stocks on the market at 1.46 lbs. The modular design offers the stability of a fixed stock with the consistent cheek weld in any position. This is the most robust collapsible stock we have ever used."

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I have to keep reminding myself that the Model 1903 NM and the M1 Garand Type I NM were actually "as issued" service rifles with carefully selected parts and assembly. They were the last of the breed.

The rifle we, the NRA and CMP refer to a "Service Rifles" are in fact iron sighted, semi-auto "Match Rifles" with as much in common with their as issued versions as a NASCAR vehicle has with the one in my driveway.

When I remind myself of that fact, calling a optics equipped rifle a service rifle does not seem so bad. Just another step in devolution.

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I have to keep reminding myself that the Model 1903 NM and the M1 Garand Type I NM were actually "as issued" service rifles with carefully selected parts and assembly. They were the last of the breed.

The rifle we, the NRA and CMP refer to a "Service Rifles" are in fact iron sighted, semi-auto "Match Rifles" with as much in common with their as issued versions as a NASCAR vehicle has with the one in my driveway.

When I remind myself of that fact, calling a optics equipped rifle a service rifle does not seem so bad. Just another step in devolution.
I can't say I disagree. Rick

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I don't know bout this.. .The more I think of it, the more it doesn't sit well with me..

Add 1" to your barrel???? You're a match rifle

Remove 1" off your barrel??? You're a match rifle

Add a rail to the forend for a bipod??? You're a match rifle

Add a 4 power scope????? You're a service rifle?!?!?



If you want a scope, fine.. Your in the match class now... That's my opinion


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I don't know bout this.. .The more I think of it, the more it doesn't sit well with me..

Add 1" to your barrel???? You're a match rifle

Remove 1" off your barrel??? You're a match rifle

Add a rail to the forend for a bipod??? You're a match rifle

Add a 4 power scope????? You're a service rifle?!?!?



If you want a scope, fine.. Your in the match class now... That's my opinion
At this point in time, real service rifles do have scopes. In fact, there are many optical sights currently being used on service rifles - everything from ACOG's to EOTech's to Nightforce 1 -1 4X 24mm to Aimpoint M4's. To a large extent, iron sights are now pretty much back-up sights. Rick

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At this point in time, real service rifles do have scopes. In fact, there are many optical sights currently being used on service rifles - everything from ACOG's to EOTech's to Nightforce 1 -1 4X 24mm to Aimpoint M4's. To a large extent, iron sights are now pretty much back-up sights. Rick
Yep. I had my choice of 3 different optical sights to mount on my M4.
Yes, on the OH-58D most engagements were made with the M4 because of the nature of the battlefield. We didn't have "flex guns", ours are mounted fixed forward.
Iron sights have gone the way of "steam" gauges, as back ups only.

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