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Old July 10th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #1
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CMP Vintage Rifle and Sniper Match

This past weekend I attended another CMP Vintage Military Rifle Match and Vintage Sniper Rifle Match. Here are a few photos...

Thanks to SIEFLY for not only scoring for me, but for taking a few of these photos. I'm usually on the other side of the lens and therefore have very few pictures of myself.

Here I am in my preparation for the slow fire:



Waiting on my score after my first sighter...



A view from the pits...



A look at the 300yd target...



The view from the 600yd firing line with my (new to me) 1903A4-gery...



Overall.... didn't do as well on the first match as I had hoped. Actually scored better with my off-hand than I did with my rapid-fire. (Somehow managed to score not one miss but TWO during rapid )

The sniper match was my very first, and I had a lot of fun. Have never taken anything past 300yds before, and was quite pleased that I was on target after my shot at 600yds (second shot somehow hit the berm... oops). My teammate had not participated in a sniper match before, so we were both neophytes. That being said, while we finished last we still scored better than 300. We were both happy.

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Old July 10th, 2013, 06:25 PM   #2
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With a couple of nice looking rifles like that I'll bet you had all kinds of fun.

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Just a suggestion with the M1, slide your hand closer too the sling swivel this will allow you to get lower and square behind the rifle. Now your whole body distributes the rifles recoil evenly and there is less muzzle flip/rise. Your head/eye will be in a more natural position and you will have less neck/shoulder/elbow strain.


That's a good looking 03a4 and I don't have any good advice for shooting them I'm a 03a1 shooter.


What's your load data?

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What's your load data?
Ammo was set up for this particular Garand, 168gr Hornady Match pushed by 46 grains of IMR4064 with an OAL of 3.273". Truth be told, my skills aren't up to par and my scores with surplus like HXP are similar.

Used the same loads for the sniper match. Just got the rifle and hadn't had time to make up and test its loads. Nonetheless, it shot better than I could shoot it. I'm guessing I could up the powder a bit, as well as the OAL to get it humming a bit better.

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How about more info on the 03 and pics? Enjoyed your post.

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The a3/4, is that one built by Creedmore?

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I think the reason you missed 2 in rapid is the rifle was probably climbing in your shoulder on each shot. I couldn't tell what type of shirt you are wearing but a lot of newer materials are very slick and allow the buttplate to ride up during rapid fire. If you got one use and old BDU or ACU shirt for shooting. There are made a little rougher and give the buttplate something to grip too. That and make sure your sling is so tight that you can't slid the rifle into your shoulder when you take your position. You should have to pull it up into position. Ask me how I know this cause I have made the same mistakes Good luck

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I'm guessing I could up the powder a bit, as well as the OAL to get it humming a bit better.
I run 46.5grs Varget with 168's@3.30, 175's@3.34.

48.0grs IMR-4064 168's@3.30, 175's@3.34.

They work very well for me in both M1 and 03a1 rifles.

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How about more info on the 03 and pics? Enjoyed your post.
Here's a link to the post with more info about the rifle: Foung a partner for my 1907 sling

It's a 1903A4-gery customized by ChuckInDenver.

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I think the reason you missed 2 in rapid is the rifle was probably climbing in your shoulder on each shot. I couldn't tell what type of shirt you are wearing but a lot of newer materials are very slick and allow the buttplate to ride up during rapid fire. If you got one use and old BDU or ACU shirt for shooting. There are made a little rougher and give the buttplate something to grip too. That and make sure your sling is so tight that you can't slid the rifle into your shoulder when you take your position. You should have to pull it up into position. Ask me how I know this cause I have made the same mistakes Good luck
I appreciate any advice I can get. I am relatively quite new to this stuff (18 months ago, I didn't even know what a Garand was, let alone a M14 ). I also understand that there is a lot more equipment that will help improve my scores (e.g., shooting jacket, shooting glove, etc.). Before getting that stuff, though, I would like to get the basics down. Once I have that, I can take it to the next competitive step and go for the equipment.

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I have a canvas shooting jacket that I no longer use since I moved up to the hard back model that I would glad to give you.

Shooting jacket make a lot of difference as that help you concentrate on your shooting mechanics and allow you to see your improvement. Otherwise the buttstock is sliding all over your shirt obscuring whether you are getting better or not.

The size is a 46 and I am 5'9" and 205 lbs. from the pictures we maybe close in size.

Best of all, I live in Rochester :)

Let me know if you are interested.

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I appreciate any advice I can get. I am relatively quite new to this stuff (18 months ago, I didn't even know what a Garand was, let alone a M14 ). I also understand that there is a lot more equipment that will help improve my scores (e.g., shooting jacket, shooting glove, etc.). Before getting that stuff, though, I would like to get the basics down. Once I have that, I can take it to the next competitive step and go for the equipment.
Duce, great attitude and initiative! You did better than you give yourself credit for; add 100 points for showing up and shooting a new match. Nice job by Siefly on the pix.

You are already assessing your position, technique and ammo.

Two minor comments, use them if they work for you:
1. I try not to grip the rifle with my left hand. Instead, I let the rifle "freefloat" in a U-channel. When your sling is tight, and it appears like it is, the rifle settles in.

2. An alternative to a shooting glove is take a thick winter glove and cut off the finger tips. It'll give you a little more dexterity and an ability to feel. Like when you drop ammo, scurrying around to pick up cartridges...lets leave it at "lessons learned".

Ammo recipes - For my rifles (CCI #200 primers):
a) 03A3 - H4895 at 46.5 grs., 168 gr. HPBT, COAL ~ 3.230"
b) M1 Garand - IMR 4064 at 47.5 gr., 168 gr. HPBT, COAL ~ 3.230" (I did load them to 3.300", but the Hodgdon's info says shorter. The rifles are more accurate than me.)

Several shooters use 135 gr. bullets, even 110 gr., which really cuts recoil. I'm old school.

My shooting coat is vintage, its the old brown hardback and was inexpensive. For me, it works very well. I bought a flexible stand and variable spotting scope based on other shooter recommendations because they worked acceptably and didn't cost a lot. Only recently did I upgrade my spotting scope. You don't have to spend a pile of $$ upfront.

I always look for ways to refine and improve on technique. But, I try to stay with one approach to standing, rapids, slow fire prone, so on come match day. Take notes on what worked, what you felt could have gone better, and soon you will be way ahead. Good luck.

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I know it 's expensive that's why I said BDU shirt or ACU. Go to Army Navy surplus store you can get them cheap. Go for a size a hair small will make you lock up a little tighter into postions. I did that with my old BDU shirts seems like they shrunk in the closet.

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