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Shimming the gas cylinder and gas port alignment: A "How To"

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#1 · (Edited by Moderator)
It's been long overdue for me to write instructions on shimming the gas cylinder but I have finally gotten around to it. I won't go too much into the "why's" of shimming the gas cylinder but if you want to know more on the subject, I suggest you read this thread by Gus Fisher:

http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=67322

I will say though, that if your front band is flappin' around when fully assembled, it will degrade accuracy. Shimming the gas system is one of the most beneficial fixes you can do to help extract accuracy from your rifle.

In short, if your gas lock snugs up past the 6 o'clock position, meaning that when you have tightened the gas lock up, you have to back it off a little to get the holes lined up to insert the gas plug, then you should insert shims between the barrel shoulder and the front band to make your gas lock snug up just before the 6 o'clock position (perfectly lined up for insertion of the gas plug) and require a little force by hand or by use of a gas lock/cylinder wrench to fully line up the lock with the gas cylinder.

If your gas system already has ideal lockup, then shims are not needed and you are good to go! Also, since some commercial parts are not as consistent as GI parts, commercial gas locks may lock up differently if the lock is flipped over (from front to back, not top to bottom). What this means is to reverse the lock so that the side which is now facing toward the front of the rifle is now facing the back of the rifle. This may give you more of an ideal lockup.

You can obtain shims from Claude, at RA parts or from Smith Enterprise. Here is what they look like..

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You will need a set of castle nut pliers, a 1/16" allen wrench, a 3/8" boxed end wrench, BAD-T1 tool or a USGI multi tool to perform this procedure. You will also need a gas cylinder/lock wrench or a large crescent wrench to support the gas system when removing the flash suppressor.

Remove the castle nut set screw.
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Using the gas cylinder wrench and your castle nut pliers, remove the flash suppressor.
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Make a mark with some white-out or marking device of some sort to indicate your gas plug torque (allow to dry). Using a gas cylinder wrench and your multi-tool (3/8" box end wrench), remove the gas plug.
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Loosen and remove your gas lock. Remove the gas cylinder and front band.
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Now you should be able to see the barrel gas port. Test fit an allen wrench which can be fully inserted into the barrel. I found that a 1/16" allen wrench fit nicely. We will use this to verify that the gas cylinder is properly aligned with the barrel when done.
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Slip the shims onto the barrel like so...
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Now test fit your gas system by installing the front band gas cylinder and gas lock. Depending on how much slop you had in the gas system, you may need one, two or all of the shims. Your shim set will come with different thicknesses of shims so play with them until you find the correct lockup. It will be properly locked up when it snugs at the 5 o'clock position and can be tightened with finger force or light force with a gas cylinder wrench. When shimming, if you find that your gas lock locks up before the 4:30 position, it is too tight! it can have negative effects on accuracy. Try to obtain the 5 o'clock position. That's the "sweet spot"

Here is the correct lockup position:
Snug...
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Locked...
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Once you have good lockup, it is time to check your gas port alignment. Slip the 1/16" allen wrench into the gas port in the gas cylinder and insert it until you can see it in the barrel. It should go in with ease and move around freely. If it takes some force but you can still insert the wrench, your gas ports may not be aligned very well. If you can't insert it at all, your ports are not aligned and you will have cycling issues.

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You should be able to see the wrench protrude into the barrel as so...
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Once you have achieved proper lockup and gas port alignment, remove the allen wrench, install your gas piston and gas plug and you are ready to go.

Tip: If your gas system is not unitized, don't snug up your gas lock until your barreled action is installed in your stock. Once it is, snug the lock and finish assembling your gas system. This will allow your front band to find a neutral position against the stock ferrule (you want this).
 
#3 ·
Gas shims

Thanks for the instructions.

I wish I had them when I did my first.

KG
 
#10 ·
Thanks for the feedback gents.

Thank you for a very informative post!

is shimming something that should be done even if the gas cylinder is unitized then?
Yes, it is recommended that you shim your gas system for ideal lockup even if your gas cylinder is unitized. Again, this will only benefit if your gas lockup is loose.
 
#12 ·
Tonyben, I really appreciate you taking the time to post. I've wondered about this since I became a member and your thread made it crystal clear in five minutes! I hope this is made a sticky.
 
#16 ·
Ive had the shims and tools for 6months lacking that bit of confidence.Where the shims go etc etc.My loose front band
wont be loose much longer.Also the final tip finish final tightening/GC on the stock is the first time ive heard this!
Thanks much! Make it a STICKY!GI6
 
#19 ·
What would be wrong with putting the shims between the front band and the gas cyl. body? Thanks, Mike
Porbably nothing but you want a gap to be between the front band and the stock ferrule (the vertical surfaces) and only contact on the bottom lip of the front band to the stock ferrule (the concave and convex horzontal surfaces). If you shim between the front band and gas cylinder, you could potentially mate the vertical surfaces which has been fond to degrade accuracy most of the time. Plus, I like for the front band to have the additional support of being pressed against the gas cylinder instead of "free floating" if you will...
 
#21 ·
My gas system, when installed in my GI fiberglass stock tightens @ 6 o'clock. but when not in the stock gets to 9 o'clock.. grin

Rifle shoots well, so I 'ain't fixing it, it's not broke! Seems like the stock puts enough forward pressure to emulate shims.
 
#22 ·
My gas system, when installed in my GI fiberglass stock tightens @ 6 o'clock. but when not in the stock gets to 9 o'clock.. grin

Rifle shoots well, so I 'ain't fixing it, it's not broke! Seems like the stock puts enough forward pressure to emulate shims.
If it shoots well, for sure leave it alone. But the stock shouldn't be putting any forward pressure on the gas system and front band; there should be some clearance between the front face of the stock ferrule and the back face of the front band as tonyben says. It sounds like the ferrule is up against the front band and pushes the whole gas system forward which is what changes the lockup point of the gas cylinder lock.
 
#23 ·
My rifle is an late '89 M1A all GI parts outside the receiver. i.e. HR barrel, trigger group, SAK op-rod, TRW bolt, so.. don't know why it does what it does but shoots well. I've not tried to see the front band clearance in another fiberglass stock I own nor the wood one that came with the rifle.

After 4 years in the Army (including RVN) all with M14 except for last 2 months in the 'nam I am fairly familiar with the rifle.

of course issue rifles weren't "accurized" but the rifle shoots better than my 60+ year old eyes can do.

I don't know how much pressure the stock puts on the front band, but my guess is not much. The gas system won't move with the stock on.
 
#24 ·
Excellent tutorial Tonyben !!!

One question though, just how does the gas cylinder actually get "loose/ out of time" ? I'm asking because mine is "loose" ( I can spin it to 7:00 and probably wrench it to 9:00 easily ) and needs shiming, but I don't want to remove the reamed flash suppressor...for fear I'll never get it "perfectly" re-aligned. Its a '96 OEM SAI M21.