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Old July 28th, 2016, 01:59 PM   #1
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M14/M1A serial numbers

Got a question.

When the armory converts the M14 to a M1A they replace the receiver but do they mark the new receiver with the M14's serial number or do they start over at 0000001?

I have a M1A with serial number 0064XX. That tells me Sept, 1976.

I am assuming that the M14 was made on that same date and converted latter.

Any info would help.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:27 PM   #2
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Perhaps I am just ignorant of the subject/question you are asking, but I did not know of the military switching from a GI receiver(M14) to a commercial version(M1A??) Springfield Armory Inc. is totally removed from the GI M14 Service Rifle, a remote relationship at best I would think.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:38 PM   #3
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GTNMUDY,

There was never a process where the military converted M14 rifles to commercial rifles and sold them. We all wish there was.

Springfield Armory Inc is a commercial company that makes M1A rifles. Some M1A rifles they have sold were built with some surplus (and often used) M14 rifle parts, when they could get them, but the M14 parts came out of big bins and were not simply converted from a single USGI rifle.

Your 1976 rifle is an early SAI production, and probably has quite a few GI surplus M14 parts in it, because they were pretty easy to get at that time.

For reference, production of M14 rifles for the military started around 1959 and ended around 1964. There were no new M14 rifles made after that.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:48 PM   #4
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M1A serial # info.

Your # is dated by it's assembly date at Springfield Armory, first in Texas, now in Genesio, (spelling) IL. Springfield years ago, purchased several tons of surplus, (De-milled) rifles from the U.S. goverment. it is the parts their first rifles were made from. as these parts ran out they now have sub contactors making their parts as needed, to continue building their product. short story of it. 1000m

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Old July 28th, 2016, 02:50 PM   #5
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OK, let me re-ask the question.

I have a M1a, serial 0064XX. I have had this gun in my position for 3 weeks. I have confirmed the pat number of the barrel as a NM and it is stamped on the top of the front part of the barrel.

Who ever did the conversion from M14 (select fire) to M1A semi auto replaced some parts.

I have a M1A with NM barrel, and bedded receiver.

Since I have never seen a M14 receiver I was assuming that it would be stamped M14 on the receiver instead of M1A, correct me if I'm wrong please.

Now if the receiver was changed out buy whoever did it, I again assumed that the receiver would be changed out because all someone has to do in get the fire select parts and convert it back to select fire, correct me if I'm wrong again.

My question is, if the receiver was changed out with new markings is the serial number the same as the M14's serial number.

Be nice I'm a Noobie to m14/M1A...LOL

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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:05 PM   #6
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Let me re-answer the question.

Your rifle was not converted from an M14 rifle. It was a brand new rifle made by Springfield Armory Inc, from a brand new made commercial M1A receiver, and some new or used surplus M14 rifle parts plus some new aftermarket parts that they pulled out of big bins that they bought at surplus auctions.

The serial number has nothing to do with an M14 rifle, the history of the surplus parts used to build your rifle can not be traced back to a particular M14 rifle because M14 rifles were never "converted" to M1A rifles. The serial number on your M1A dates to 1976, because that's when SAI made the brand new receiver for your rifle, had to register it for the books with a new serial number, and finished building it with surplus and commercial parts.

Hope this helps.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:09 PM   #7
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Only a very few real M14's are available to the public. They are considered machine guns and must be transferred as such, using the appropriate local and BATF approvals.

You M1A is a commercial receiver. It was mated to some USGI M14 parts that were surplus back in the early 1990's. There is no way your commercial receiver can be converted to an M14. It will not accept the full auto parts.

There were a handful of real M14 receivers converted to semi-auto civilian use, but the ATF no longer allows it. These were made by Hahn, etc.

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Only a very few real M14's are available to the public. They are considered machine guns and must be transferred as such, using the appropriate local and BATF approvals.

You M1A is a commercial receiver. It was mated to some USGI M14 parts that were surplus back in the early 1990's. There is no way your commercial receiver can be converted to an M14. It will not accept the full auto parts.

There were a handful of real M14 receivers converted to semi-auto civilian use, but the ATF no longer allows it. These were made by Hahn, etc.
I agree that this receiver cannot be converted to select fire.

Since this is not a M14 receiver, then I assume that it was a re-cast or forged receiver the markings on the receiver had to be put on it.

My questions is did the serial number placed on the new receiver reflect the serial number of the M14 that it was converted from?

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I agree that this receiver cannot be converted to select fire.

Since this is not a M14 receiver, then I assume that it was a re-cast or forged receiver the markings on the receiver had to be put on it.

My questions is did the serial number placed on the new receiver reflect the serial number of the M14 that it was converted from?
No. Your serial number simply reflects 40 years of SAI commercial production. The current serial numbers are approaching 400,000.

There is one current company that uses actual M14 receiver heels welded to commercial receivers. Their serial numbers are of the original M14.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:32 PM   #10
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Thank you for the info.

So I can assume that my serial number and receiver are correct stating M1A, in place of M14?
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Let me add a bit more background that might help clear this up for you. This is a fairly common question among newer M1A owners.

The US Government operated a weapons arsenal called Springfield Armory (or Springfield Arsenal, depending on who you talk to...) The US Government Springfield Armory built guns for the US military for a looong time, something like 150 years or more.

The US Government Springfield Armory was in charge of the design, prototypes, and early production of the M14 rifle for the military. They started production of real M14 rifles around 1959, and ended production around 1963. (historians take it easy on me, going off memory here.) They did make a few new spare parts like M14 barrels up to about 1967. In 1968, budget cuts closed the US Government Springfield Armory forever. There is nothing there now but a museum.

In the early 1970s, a gentleman named Elmer Ballance decided to start making copies of the M14 rifle for the civilian market. He designed a new semi-auto receiver that would accept surplus M14 parts. He decided to name his new commercial company Springfield Armory Incorporated, maybe because it sounded official and government-y, and played off the name of the old, closed-down, government arsenal. It was a new commercial company and has nothing to do at all with the US arsenal. Springfield Armory Inc (SAI) has been confusing people with this for decades.

The US Government Springfield Armory, and the commercial Springfield Armory Incorporated, are not related at all.

There was never a process at the US Government Springfield Armory where they brought in M14 rifles, converted them to M1A rifles, and shipped them out to gunshops across America. When your SAI M1A was made in 1976, the US Government Springfield Armory had been closed for 8 years.

You should read the excellent "M14 Rifle History and Development" book, which explains all of this and much more, written by Lee Emerson who is a member of this forum, user name Different. There is a version of the book available for free online, or print copy a with lots of photos available from Lulu Press (shameless plug for Different, but he doesn't make any money from it anyway.)

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I agree that this receiver cannot be converted to select fire.

Since this is not a M14 receiver, then I assume that it was a re-cast or forged receiver the markings on the receiver had to be put on it.

My questions is did the serial number placed on the new receiver reflect the serial number of the M14 that it was converted from?
And again, in case it isn't clear yet, your commercial M1A rifle was not converted from an M14 rifle. Your receiver was cast brand new in 1976.

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Old July 28th, 2016, 03:49 PM   #13
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Best answer so far.

I do understand the springfield factory was closed.

I have read that several companies did manufacture the M1A.

All I was trying to do was tie a serial number/date to my M1A.

So this M1A was assembled using some M14 parts and some new M1A parts in 1976.

Thank you 2336USMC

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I've read somewhere way back that five or less M14s where converted to Semi auto by SA ? Anyway after the non functioning knob was welded a "M" was engraved after the 4 for "modified"
Apparently sold to civilians for service rifle competition. ATF put a immediate stop to it.
I can't remember if they grandfathered in or forced to give them up ? This was way before the 1986 act.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong......it's been years ago.

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I've read somewhere way back that five or less M14s where converted to Semi auto by SA ? Anyway after the non functioning knob was welded a "M" was engraved after the 4 for "modified"
Apparently sold to civilians for service rifle competition. ATF put a immediate stop to it.
I can't remember if they grandfathered in or forced to give them up ? This was way before the 1986 act.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong......it's been years ago.
Wikipeda states 50 were sold as fire select to the public

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